What's the usual tip to give at restaurants in the US?

[Dozyproductions]

You are selectively quoting me and apparently you can not distinguish between society placing a value and how I place a value. I have clearly stated it would be wrong to think that I believe that education and occupation makes someone subjectively better than a person with lesser education and who receives lesser compensation.

Restated, my opinion is that more money does not make a "better" person.

You know what, you could be a lawyer. Note: profbooty can't coherently explain his own logic expressed from his own words.

[Thizzelle]

Could you please explain?

logical thought

[profbooty]

You know what, you could be a lawyer. Note: profbooty can't coherently explain his own logic expressed from his own words.

Please explain. Argumentum ad hominem

[profbooty]

logical thought

I can explain more simply.

The more value you can bring to an employer the more you are compensated. This is a valid negotiation tactic when asking for additional compensation in any form of employment.

For any job, you are not entitled to extra compensation unless you go above and beyond what is expected as an additional reward agreed to by your employer, or it is written into an employment contract. Some people get have disadvantageous compensation systems/employment contracts.

Certain jobs receive more compensation due to responsibility, educational requirements and limited availability of practitioners. One is not simply entitled to more compensation because they posses those skills.

None of the above are any subjective value statements of a person's character.

[agent]

...you can not distinguish between society placing a value and how I place a value...

I can, and I did. Using your own words, I successfully demonstrated that you're a blowhard who thinks the profession and the skill set necessary for employment in it is beneath you.

[TwoJ's]

OOOOhhhhh... big words and shit!

[profbooty]

I can, and I did. Using your own words, I successfully demonstrated that you're a blowhard who thinks the profession and the skill set necessary for employment in it is beneath you.

No, I have no desire to engage in such employment as it would not support my family circumstances, not because I think such a job is beneath me.

I made certain choices in life to go down a certain path which has led me to where I am today. That does not mean that I am disparaging others for the choices they have made because they are not the choices I would have made.

That is a logical fallacy.

[profbooty]

OOOOhhhhh... big words and shit!

I paid attention in school and I'm probably older than the average poster here :)

[TwoJ's]

No, I have no desire to engage in such employment as it would not support my family circumstances, not because I think such a job is beneath me.

I made certain choices in life to go down a certain path which has led me to where I am today. That does not mean that I am disparaging others for the choices they have made because they are not the choices I would have made.

That is a logical fallacy.

I paid attention in school and I'm probably older than the average poster here :)

You must have dozed off in your predicate logic course...

[TFJR]

For decent (average) service 18-20%

For bad service - 10%

For excellent service (above and beyond) 25%+

I have worked in the service industry in the past & know personally that a really good tip can make your day. To me a great tip is something that has to be earned.

[Dozyproductions]

I have worked in the service industry in the past & know personally that a really good tip can make your day. To me a great tip is something that has to be earned.

I think that's what some of the antagonists in this thread are missing the point to. Tips are earned... which means hard work has to be done to earn such. No where is it mentioned that such people need more in tips or pay but just to defend our positions against the ignorant which = 95% of our 'clients'.

[FredK]

The comment about knowing wine/food pairings and wines by regions didn't seem like it was aimed at establishing how excessively cerebral or complicated the job is. It merely established the job is a bit more than just smiling at people, filling their water, and bringing them food.

[Thizzelle]

I can explain more simply.

The more value you can bring to an employer the more you are compensated. This is a valid negotiation tactic when asking for additional compensation in any form of employment.

For any job, you are not entitled to extra compensation unless you go above and beyond what is expected as an additional reward agreed to by your employer, or it is written into an employment contract. Some people get have disadvantageous compensation systems/employment contracts.

Certain jobs receive more compensation due to responsibility, educational requirements and limited availability of practitioners. One is not simply entitled to more compensation because they posses those skills.

None of the above are any subjective value statements of a person's character.

I know, I'm talking about logical thinking, many do not have it.

[profbooty]

I know, I'm talking about logical thinking many do not have it.

I would agree with you. Most people I come across don't think, they react. That may be why so many people get taken advantage of.

[evandael]

great. you two can start a circle jerk thread somewhere else.

also, profbooty, for all your education, logic, and professional standing, you cannot seem to grasp a key human concept.. tactful humility. let me guess, you're an engineer?