What's the usual tip to give at restaurants in the US?

[HarukoE30]

Now that you've proven what a cool guy you are, feel free to leave this conversation to the adults.

Yeah I don't know how anyone would come away with that impression...

I can, and I did. Using your own words, I successfully demonstrated that you're a blowhard who thinks the profession and the skill set necessary for employment in it is beneath you.

You must work in this industry.

Doesn't Carl's Jr. bring your food out to you if you seat? Should they get a tip? I mean you define tipping by sitting down, & McDonald's sometimes brings your food out to you when asked to move forward. Do they get a tip?

[profbooty]

also, profbooty, for all your education, logic, and professional standing, you cannot seem to grasp a key human concept.. tactful humility. let me guess, you're an engineer?

You appear conversant in the english language. If you go back a few posts you can read exactly what I do.

The level of projection onto other peoples words is astounding...

There are fairly simple reasons why I would not seek employment in the food service industry. It has nothing to do with perceived status. I am unsure how one could come to that conclusion when I have explicitly stated otherwise.

Simply, working in the food service industry does not allow me to meet my family circumstances. I developed an incurable, but manageable health condition while in college which is rather costly, which caused me to loose my military scholarship. Given other options, why would I choose a job in which very good health benefits are not the norm? I support 4 other people in a high cost of living area, why would I choose a job with lesser compensation if other options are available to me? Why would I choose an occupation which would make loan repayments (student loans, car payments, mortgages) in a timely manner more difficult?

If such a career path works for you and your long term goals (rather than as a stepping stone), I sincerely wish you happiness. It does not match nor fulfill my health and family needs and long term goals.

I fail to see how that demonstrates a lack of tactful humility.

[evandael]

profbooty after leaving a 10% tip:

[Dozyproductions]

He is borg. Resistance is futile.

[evandael]

great. you two can start a circle jerk thread somewhere else.

also, profbooty, for all your education, logic, and professional standing, you cannot seem to grasp a key human concept.. tactful humility. let me guess, you're an engineer?

[profbooty]

I know, I'm talking about logical thinking many do not have it.

I would agree with you. Most people I come across don't think, they react. That may be why so many people get taken advantage of.

[Thizzelle]

I can explain more simply.

The more value you can bring to an employer the more you are compensated. This is a valid negotiation tactic when asking for additional compensation in any form of employment.

For any job, you are not entitled to extra compensation unless you go above and beyond what is expected as an additional reward agreed to by your employer, or it is written into an employment contract. Some people get have disadvantageous compensation systems/employment contracts.

Certain jobs receive more compensation due to responsibility, educational requirements and limited availability of practitioners. One is not simply entitled to more compensation because they posses those skills.

None of the above are any subjective value statements of a person's character.

I know, I'm talking about logical thinking, many do not have it.

[FredK]

The comment about knowing wine/food pairings and wines by regions didn't seem like it was aimed at establishing how excessively cerebral or complicated the job is. It merely established the job is a bit more than just smiling at people, filling their water, and bringing them food.

[Dozyproductions]

I have worked in the service industry in the past & know personally that a really good tip can make your day. To me a great tip is something that has to be earned.

I think that's what some of the antagonists in this thread are missing the point to. Tips are earned... which means hard work has to be done to earn such. No where is it mentioned that such people need more in tips or pay but just to defend our positions against the ignorant which = 95% of our 'clients'.

[TFJR]

For decent (average) service 18-20%

For bad service - 10%

For excellent service (above and beyond) 25%+

I have worked in the service industry in the past & know personally that a really good tip can make your day. To me a great tip is something that has to be earned.

[TwoJ's]

No, I have no desire to engage in such employment as it would not support my family circumstances, not because I think such a job is beneath me.

I made certain choices in life to go down a certain path which has led me to where I am today. That does not mean that I am disparaging others for the choices they have made because they are not the choices I would have made.

That is a logical fallacy.

I paid attention in school and I'm probably older than the average poster here :)

You must have dozed off in your predicate logic course...

[profbooty]

OOOOhhhhh... big words and shit!

I paid attention in school and I'm probably older than the average poster here :)

[profbooty]

I can, and I did. Using your own words, I successfully demonstrated that you're a blowhard who thinks the profession and the skill set necessary for employment in it is beneath you.

No, I have no desire to engage in such employment as it would not support my family circumstances, not because I think such a job is beneath me.

I made certain choices in life to go down a certain path which has led me to where I am today. That does not mean that I am disparaging others for the choices they have made because they are not the choices I would have made.

That is a logical fallacy.

[TwoJ's]

OOOOhhhhh... big words and shit!

[agent]

...you can not distinguish between society placing a value and how I place a value...

I can, and I did. Using your own words, I successfully demonstrated that you're a blowhard who thinks the profession and the skill set necessary for employment in it is beneath you.