What's the usual tip to give at restaurants in the US?

[profbooty]

Congrats you just proved what's wrong with this country. You think your better than everybody else because of your job and money. Guess what nobody gives a shit.

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Please explain, as you are making allegations unsupported by what I have written.

I laid out a logical though pattern to come to a conclusion. You are making an emotional response.

I explicitly stated that it would be erroneous for one to come to the conclusion that I feel that I am better than others.

It would be incorrect to think that somehow my occupation and education makes me subjectively a better person than others, even if society has deemed higher compensation to be appropriate for my occupation.

If you are ruled by your emotions, it is very difficult to come to rational decisions. Being ruled by owns emotions, as well as a sense of entitlement, irrespective of one's economic status, is self-destructive behaviour.

[Sideways87]

You only have to memorize 600 wines and various food parings? Thats not that much to memorize. Various professionals such as CPA, doctors, lawyers and engineers have to memorize far more than that and not just have to regurgitate information, but have significantly more responsibility and are open to legal liability as well as be able to implement and design complex solutions based off that memorized information. I had to memorize over 6000 pages of practice, policy and procedure to pass the patent bar alone, let alone the thousands of hours involved in my undergraduate engineering education and being able to recall it for the professional engineering exam.

How many years of training did you have to go through before you could even start working? How much are you in debt before you could start working? Have you passed examinations with passrates below 50%?

You don't have to be accountable for all that much:

Do you have the stress of having someone's life in their hands as a doctor? Do you have the weighty responsibility of signing off on various products or building designs which can kill people (and being held accountable for it if you fail by the legal system?) Do you have your clients future in hand as a lawyer? Do you know how to follow all the SarBox rules when acting as an auditor/CPA?

Do you know how you are held accountable for all of the above? I take it you don't have to have insurance (or your employer) if you screw up and someone dies, is injured, faces years in jail or lost wealth due to your own incompetence?

Hey professionals are salaried, so we get paid the same if we work hard or not (though it is expected that you put in more than 8 hours a day, closer to 10-12 and you are on call depending on the type of professional you are), and bonuses are not to be expected unless we exceed expectations.

Friends of mine in the financial industry have similar levels of stress, knowledge requirements etc, when you are responsible for millions/billions of cash.

Oh and before you go off on me, my brother works in the food service industry and bailed out of college as he was making 700-1000 bucks a night 2 days a week as a bartender. Not the greatest move as when management changed he was out of a job and hasn't made anywhere near that again.

Congrats you just proved what's wrong with this country. You think your better than everybody else because of your job and money. Guess what nobody gives a shit.

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[profbooty]

You realize this post shows much more about your character than someone in the service industry, right?

Actually, it shows that someone justifying their job being rather complex, require esoteric knowledge and having to multitask as justification for compensation, may in fact have a rather small world view, acting unaware that there are others with far more complex jobs and responsibilities who are valued more by society and recieve more compensation because of their education, skills and limited number of people in their ocupations.

As you may recall, Dozyproductons requested:

People who've commented in this thread and never worked the industry before... tell us what you do so we can make the same blanket statements about how shitty you do your job and how much you shouldnt get paid.

What exactly are you stating about my character? You know nothing of who I am (other than I am educated, passed rigorious examinations in order to practice my occupation and don't work in the food service industry, but have relatives who are in the food industry) and what my life experiences are. It appears that you are misconstruing my comments as a value judgement rather than how society determines the value of compensation for those in the food service industry. It would be incorrect to think that somehow my occupation and education makes me subjectively a better person than others, even if society has deemed higher compensation to be appropriate for my occupation.

You could construe that I feel that there is a sense of entitlement to TIPs by those who have worked in the food service industry because of how their compensation is arranged.

[z31maniac]

You only have to memorize 600 wines and various food parings? Thats not that much to memorize. Various professionals such as CPA, doctors, lawyers and engineers have to memorize far more than that and not just have to regurgitate information, but have significantly more responsibility and are open to legal liability as well as be able to implement and design complex solutions based off that memorized information. I had to memorize over 6000 pages of practice, policy and procedure to pass the patent bar alone, let alone the thousands of hours involved in my undergraduate engineering education and being able to recall it for the professional engineering exam.

How many years of training did you have to go through before you could even start working? How much are you in debt before you could start working? Have you passed examinations with passrates below 50%?

You don't have to be accountable for all that much:

Do you have the stress of having someone's life in their hands as a doctor? Do you have the weighty responsibility of signing off on various products or building designs which can kill people (and being held accountable for it if you fail by the legal system?) Do you have your clients future in hand as a lawyer? Do you know how to follow all the SarBox rules when acting as an auditor/CPA?

Do you know how you are held accountable for all of the above? I take it you don't have to have insurance (or your employer) if you screw up and someone dies, is injured, faces years in jail or lost wealth due to your own incompetence?

Hey professionals are salaried, so we get paid the same if we work hard or not (though it is expected that you put in more than 8 hours a day, closer to 10-12 and you are on call depending on the type of professional you are), and bonuses are not to be expected unless we exceed expectations.

Friends of mine in the financial industry have similar levels of stress, knowledge requirements etc, when you are responsible for millions/billions of cash.

Oh and before you go off on me, my brother works in the food service industry and bailed out of college as he was making 700-1000 bucks a night 2 days a week as a bartender. Not the greatest move as when management changed he was out of a job and hasn't made anywhere near that again.

You realize this post shows much more about your character than someone in the service industry, right?

[evandael]

no, he's providing good insightful commentary. but that still falls short of providing a good reason why a successful professional can't afford to tip the wait staff an adequate amount , especially when he ADMITS to knowing how dependent they are on tips, just because he doesn't believe in 'the principle of it'



you, on the other hand, are just looking for your own personal jesus in this argument to support why you're a cheap dick at restaurants. so kindly fuck off.

[Thizzelle]

profbooty is ripping you guys up

[mcr_driver]

I tip 15% on good service and no more.....

You can burn in hell you slanderous dog you :hitler:


. Fun story had amazing service last night at a BJ's of all places. Both my friend and I were shocked...this guy was on point took care of everything and was no BS when it came to service. Needless to say we both tipped him 5$ on a 20$ bill. Then we went to a boba that we're regulars at and got cold HOT tea, didn't address us and when we asked them about it we could the see the no fucks to give on his face :rofl: Our regular servers were out and some new people were there working. When our servers came in on their off night (to hang out) we were like what's up with them and they responded, oh they're like that they don't care. We left them a 0.02cent tip, why? Because those that don't give a fuck don't deserve a fuck. Don't be a bleeding heart just because society tells you it's appropriate. Give to those who deserve it, like the homeless who are truely needing as opposed to the one's that make 60k a year being panhandlers.

That's my point in all of this isn't not to tip, but to tip however you feel is appropriate for the situation. Just blindly tipping because you know they make $2.13 an hour is feeding an uneccessary cycle of stagnant job/career development.

[mitch500]

I tip 15% on good service and no more.....

[agent]

Congratulations for falling to what is known as "trolling"...

Now that you've proven what a cool guy you are, feel free to leave this conversation to the adults.

[profbooty]

I don't think that a lot of people here understand how restaurants work. When restaurants decide how and how much servers are paid, they take tips into account. It isn't legally dictated that you have to tip, but if you won't tip according to the norm in a pay for performance way then you're not holding up your end of the equation.

I'm well aware of how waitstaff, bartenders, hostesses, back of the house etc are compensated, how they divide tips, how they may have money held back to enable them to eat restaurant food, and how it is legally permissible to pay them less than minimum wage because the collect tips. I'm also aware of how shady various restaurant business practices are which are beyond the current discussion.

It's a pretty crappy system for those legally employed, with some exceptions. A tip should be for something done beyond one's expectations, not for merely doing one's job. That being said, I generally tip 15% and 10% at buffets.

[GAbOS]

You don't have to be accountable for all that much:

Whoa.. I take what I put in my mouth very seriously. Oh, and I consider people messing with my food as important as a guy that leaves a sponge in my abdomen.

[HarukoE30]

Congratulations for making the second most ignorant post in the thread.

Congratulations for falling to what is known as "trolling"...NEXT :finger:

In other news, of course I tip & it's usually based on performance with no set %. I leave $6 tips on $4 bills at BBW's regularly.

[Roysneon]

I don't think that a lot of people here understand how restaurants work. When restaurants decide how and how much servers are paid, they take tips into account. It isn't legally dictated that you have to tip, but if you won't tip according to the norm in a pay for performance way then you're not holding up your end of the equation.

[agent]

10% and that's because it seems like some asshole decided tipping was a must. 90% of the time I walk into the place knowing what I want before drinks are even started. I don't ask for refills & I am gone within 20-30 mins. I'm the easiest customer you get for the day, so why tip you for that?

I wish people at McDonald's got tips, or grocery stores for that matter. Hell even the good Wal-mart workers can't take tips. A job is a job so just do it or find another one.

Congratulations for making the second most ignorant post in the thread.

[HarukoE30]

10% and that's because it seems like some asshole decided tipping was a must. 90% of the time I walk into the place knowing what I want before drinks are even started. I don't ask for refills & I am gone within 20-30 mins. I'm the easiest customer you get for the day, so why tip you for that?

I wish people at McDonald's got tips, or grocery stores for that matter. Hell even the good Wal-mart workers can't take tips. A job is a job so just do it or find another one.