What's the usual tip to give at restaurants in the US?

[z31maniac]

You only have to memorize 600 wines and various food parings? Thats not that much to memorize. Various professionals such as CPA, doctors, lawyers and engineers have to memorize far more than that and not just have to regurgitate information, but have significantly more responsibility and are open to legal liability as well as be able to implement and design complex solutions based off that memorized information. I had to memorize over 6000 pages of practice, policy and procedure to pass the patent bar alone, let alone the thousands of hours involved in my undergraduate engineering education and being able to recall it for the professional engineering exam.

How many years of training did you have to go through before you could even start working? How much are you in debt before you could start working? Have you passed examinations with passrates below 50%?

You don't have to be accountable for all that much:

Do you have the stress of having someone's life in their hands as a doctor? Do you have the weighty responsibility of signing off on various products or building designs which can kill people (and being held accountable for it if you fail by the legal system?) Do you have your clients future in hand as a lawyer? Do you know how to follow all the SarBox rules when acting as an auditor/CPA?

Do you know how you are held accountable for all of the above? I take it you don't have to have insurance (or your employer) if you screw up and someone dies, is injured, faces years in jail or lost wealth due to your own incompetence?

Hey professionals are salaried, so we get paid the same if we work hard or not (though it is expected that you put in more than 8 hours a day, closer to 10-12 and you are on call depending on the type of professional you are), and bonuses are not to be expected unless we exceed expectations.

Friends of mine in the financial industry have similar levels of stress, knowledge requirements etc, when you are responsible for millions/billions of cash.

Oh and before you go off on me, my brother works in the food service industry and bailed out of college as he was making 700-1000 bucks a night 2 days a week as a bartender. Not the greatest move as when management changed he was out of a job and hasn't made anywhere near that again.

You realize this post shows much more about your character than someone in the service industry, right?

[profbooty]

You realize this post shows much more about your character than someone in the service industry, right?

Actually, it shows that someone justifying their job being rather complex, require esoteric knowledge and having to multitask as justification for compensation, may in fact have a rather small world view, acting unaware that there are others with far more complex jobs and responsibilities who are valued more by society and recieve more compensation because of their education, skills and limited number of people in their ocupations.

As you may recall, Dozyproductons requested:

People who've commented in this thread and never worked the industry before... tell us what you do so we can make the same blanket statements about how shitty you do your job and how much you shouldnt get paid.

What exactly are you stating about my character? You know nothing of who I am (other than I am educated, passed rigorious examinations in order to practice my occupation and don't work in the food service industry, but have relatives who are in the food industry) and what my life experiences are. It appears that you are misconstruing my comments as a value judgement rather than how society determines the value of compensation for those in the food service industry. It would be incorrect to think that somehow my occupation and education makes me subjectively a better person than others, even if society has deemed higher compensation to be appropriate for my occupation.

You could construe that I feel that there is a sense of entitlement to TIPs by those who have worked in the food service industry because of how their compensation is arranged.

[Sideways87]

You only have to memorize 600 wines and various food parings? Thats not that much to memorize. Various professionals such as CPA, doctors, lawyers and engineers have to memorize far more than that and not just have to regurgitate information, but have significantly more responsibility and are open to legal liability as well as be able to implement and design complex solutions based off that memorized information. I had to memorize over 6000 pages of practice, policy and procedure to pass the patent bar alone, let alone the thousands of hours involved in my undergraduate engineering education and being able to recall it for the professional engineering exam.

How many years of training did you have to go through before you could even start working? How much are you in debt before you could start working? Have you passed examinations with passrates below 50%?

You don't have to be accountable for all that much:

Do you have the stress of having someone's life in their hands as a doctor? Do you have the weighty responsibility of signing off on various products or building designs which can kill people (and being held accountable for it if you fail by the legal system?) Do you have your clients future in hand as a lawyer? Do you know how to follow all the SarBox rules when acting as an auditor/CPA?

Do you know how you are held accountable for all of the above? I take it you don't have to have insurance (or your employer) if you screw up and someone dies, is injured, faces years in jail or lost wealth due to your own incompetence?

Hey professionals are salaried, so we get paid the same if we work hard or not (though it is expected that you put in more than 8 hours a day, closer to 10-12 and you are on call depending on the type of professional you are), and bonuses are not to be expected unless we exceed expectations.

Friends of mine in the financial industry have similar levels of stress, knowledge requirements etc, when you are responsible for millions/billions of cash.

Oh and before you go off on me, my brother works in the food service industry and bailed out of college as he was making 700-1000 bucks a night 2 days a week as a bartender. Not the greatest move as when management changed he was out of a job and hasn't made anywhere near that again.

Congrats you just proved what's wrong with this country. You think your better than everybody else because of your job and money. Guess what nobody gives a shit.

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[profbooty]

Congrats you just proved what's wrong with this country. You think your better than everybody else because of your job and money. Guess what nobody gives a shit.

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Please explain, as you are making allegations unsupported by what I have written.

I laid out a logical though pattern to come to a conclusion. You are making an emotional response.

I explicitly stated that it would be erroneous for one to come to the conclusion that I feel that I am better than others.

It would be incorrect to think that somehow my occupation and education makes me subjectively a better person than others, even if society has deemed higher compensation to be appropriate for my occupation.

If you are ruled by your emotions, it is very difficult to come to rational decisions. Being ruled by owns emotions, as well as a sense of entitlement, irrespective of one's economic status, is self-destructive behaviour.

[Thizzelle]

I laid out a logical though pattern to come to a conclusion. You are making an emotional response.

this is the problem people have

[profbooty]

this is the problem people have

Could you please explain?

[mrsleeve]

Please explain, as you are making allegations unsupported by what I have written.

I laid out a logical though pattern to come to a conclusion. You are making an emotional response.

I explicitly stated that it would be erroneous for one to come to the conclusion that I feel that I am better than others.



If you are ruled by your emotions, it is very difficult to come to rational decisions. Being ruled by owns emotions, as well as a sense of entitlement, irrespective of one's economic status, is self-destructive behaviour.

Does not change the fact you a cheap ass tool that sees him self as far superior to those that serve him.

your dissertation a few posts back is proof of that.

[Dozyproductions]

blah blah blah.

Ever try to compare apples to oranges before?

You're logic is flawed Vulcan and as mentioned before, ludicrous.

I'm white and I have a black friend. Having such a friend enables me to speak for all black people. That's an example of how your use of your brother for legitimacy in a discussion that you have no first hand experience in sounds like.

What do you do in life btw?

[agent]

I explicitly stated that it would be erroneous for one to come to the conclusion that I feel that I am better than others.

Yeah I don't know how anyone would come away with that impression...

The prerequisites for entry into the food service industry a considerably lower than a skilled trade or professional job.

I wouldn't want to make a career out of the food service industry.

They have a low level of responsibility and are treated accordingly by management and customers.

...take those skills you have developed and move it into a more lucrative customer oriented career such as corporate sales.

...there are others with far more complex jobs and responsibilities who are valued more by society...

I am educated, passed rigorious examinations in order to practice my occupation and don't work in the food service industry...

...society determines the value of compensation for those in the food service industry.

...society has deemed higher compensation to be appropriate for my occupation.

[mother_russia]

I don't know if this has been said here already, haven't really read through all 11 pages haha, but if you guys tip, do your best to tip in cash! I used to be a delivery driver for Domino's, and if we got tipped on a debit/credit card receipt, it would get taxed. It works the same way with any restaurant.

[z31maniac]

Actually, it shows that someone justifying their job being rather complex, require esoteric knowledge and having to multitask as justification for compensation, may in fact have a rather small world view, acting unaware that there are others with far more complex jobs and responsibilities who are valued more by society and recieve more compensation because of their education, skills and limited number of people in their ocupations.

As you may recall, Dozyproductons requested:



What exactly are you stating about my character? You know nothing of who I am (other than I am educated, passed rigorious examinations in order to practice my occupation and don't work in the food service industry, but have relatives who are in the food industry) and what my life experiences are. It appears that you are misconstruing my comments as a value judgement rather than how society determines the value of compensation for those in the food service industry. It would be incorrect to think that somehow my occupation and education makes me subjectively a better person than others, even if society has deemed higher compensation to be appropriate for my occupation.

You could construe that I feel that there is a sense of entitlement to TIPs by those who have worked in the food service industry because of how their compensation is arranged.

Hahaha, there is no point engaging you.

Enjoy your weekend.

[mrsleeve]

I don't know if this has been said here already, haven't really read through all 11 pages haha, but if you guys tip, do your best to tip in cash! I used to be a delivery driver for Domino's, and if we got tipped on a debit/credit card receipt, it would get taxed. It works the same way with any restaurant.

Well your tips cash or other wise are income, and your supposed to be paying income taxes on your income ALL OF IT. SO you should be keeping records and paying taxes on all your cash tips as well. ;)

I tip in cash 99% of the time, mostly because I want my waitress to get it and not have to divvy it all up between the rest of the staff and "tip out" to make it fair. If I give her 2 fives she can at least pocket 1 and toss the other in the collective tip basket. Or I will tip on a card at reasonable level and then put the other half in cash on the table at places I know that have to split up the tips.

[fporro]

One's responsibility does not always equate pay, nor pay always equates much at all.

For example, school bus drivers transporting our most precious assets,
or atleths making more than anyone else because couch potatoes like living their lives through them.

An education can take you far, but as my mentor always said...

In a country of blind's a cyclop can be king.

[profbooty]

Yeah I don't know how anyone would come away with that impression...

You are selectively quoting me and apparently you can not distinguish between society placing a value and how I place a value. I have clearly stated it would be wrong to think that I believe that education and occupation makes someone subjectively better than a person with lesser education and who receives lesser compensation.

Restated, my opinion is that more money does not make a "better" person.

[profbooty]

Ever try to compare apples to oranges before?

You're logic is flawed Vulcan and as mentioned before, ludicrous.

I'm white and I have a black friend. Having such a friend enables me to speak for all black people. That's an example of how your use of your brother for legitimacy in a discussion that you have no first hand experience in sounds like.

What do you do in life btw?

It would clearly be erroneous to think that I speak for my brother. I am in agreement here. I have not stated otherwise.

I am an electrical engineer who works in the IP law field. I am not an attorney, but I have "some" legal education and I can practice in front of the USPTO having passed their examinations. I spend my days researching and explaining esoteric technologies as well as researching and arguing case law, technologies, and definitions of words with attorneys and engineers.