.......... Dash cam catches 747 cargo plane crash in Afghanistan, 8 dead, chilling

[mrsleeve]

I think it would have been a repetitive cycle of pitch up and stall that would have lead to the same results eventually even if they had a few 1000 feet to work with

[Pantless Spency]

Ahhhh, gonna be on a plane in one week, so glad I watched this.

[flyboyx]

yeah...looking at the video, it appears the crew didn't stand a chance. the most likely scenarios have been discussed already. other than being loaded wrong or not strapped down properly, pretty much the only other option would be a control system malfunction or perhaps the controls being locked and unusable.

a 747-400 has a gross takeoff weight of around 800,000 pounds. if the load shifted aft, just imagine how big and heavy it must have been to effect that.

[blksuperman2]

Man, that's really hard to watch. Makes me sorry for all the times I *itch'd and moaned because I was bumped trying to leave Bagram because of weight. Probably saved my life.

[z31maniac]

Ahhhh, gonna be on a plane in one week, so glad I watched this.

You're more likely to be struck by lightning whilst sitting inside your house surrounded by a faraday cage.

I wouldn't worry about it.

[mulletman]

tragic, the only accident ive seen thats close to that was a control lock being left in on a q400. the shifting cargo does make sense though.

Control lock on a Q400? It's literally impossible to advance the power levers in that airplane with the control lock in the 'locked' position. You pull it aft and it locks in place just in front of the power levers when they're at the 'flight idle' position.

Looks as though they leveled it out by themselves before the crash, wonder if with a few hundred more feet they could have done something? Kind of disrespectful to speculate about it though when the bottom line is that an accident occurred and 8 people are dead now.

I think it would have been a repetitive cycle of pitch up and stall that would have lead to the same results eventually even if they had a few 1000 feet to work with

It probably would have ended in a spin-like rotation. The initial stall broke to the right, and with a (theoretically) super-aft CG, the odds of stopping the yaw without causing a rotation the other direction are basically zero. The wings-level attitude they achieved likely wouldn't have been sustainable, swept-wing stall characteristics and all. The only way I could think of mitigating this type of event would be to provide as close to zero thrust as possible as soon as the CG problem was identified. Basically, try to limit the altitude attained before the stall by limiting the available energy. Still not going to end well, though.

Nasty accident. Load-shift is right up there with structural failure and in-flight fire on the list of shit that I REALLY don't want to deal with in an airplane.