Hawthorne Police Officer shooting dog. (NSFW)

[AF_Adam]

Show me there is such a thing as an "open ended law" and I will concede and agree with everything you say. I'm sorry though, I'm a huge believer in the 1st and 5th amendments, and saying there is an "open ended law" that eliminates that right is just not true. Again, it doesn't matter what his intentions were, we have are rights and are free to exercise them. If you don't agree with that, feel free to forfeit your rights and move to North Korea. Again, police are not above the law, they are not above the constitution, and do not have the authority to overrule your rights, and you should not allow it to happen.
Yes, I will not deny, the dogs owner was pushing his limits, he was trying to lure the law enforcement agents into violating his rights, and that's exactly what he got, however... As a law enforcement agent, you should be above reproach, you should be able to handle a "heckler" and move forward with your job. Honestly that is part of your job. I will agree that owner is equally as responsible as the officers involved, but I, absolutely, will not hold the owner solely responsible for the dogs death. Frankly, we will see what happens as things move forward. Willing to bet money I'm right.

I am a veteran and I fought for those rights we all enjoy, so please don't talk to me about forfeiting rights. Yes, there are plenty of other choices the officers could have made and didn't. They are human as well. I agree it would have been better to taze the dog rather than shoot it and it was on the officer who made that decision. But I am able to put myself in his position and try to understand his actions.

Did you really read this whole thread? Most of this has been covered with more insight than you provide here.

In the video, the other bystanders were conversing in normal (actually, somewhat quiet) voices despite the "blaring" music. It appears they were closer to the source of that music than the police, yet you propose the distraction was too much for the "highly trained" officers?

It's not a straw man argument to opine that the officers arrested Rosby to teach him a lesson.

Welcome to r3v!

Thank you, its good to be here, been here for some time just never really posted. I Have an e36 hatch. Yes I did read all 14 pages of pasts. A lot had been discussed prior to my post, yes. The officers could have ignored Rosby and let me heckle all he wants, but i would guess that the heckling would continue to escalate. Just my assumption from experience with people that have done similar things. He wanted to make a scene, and he got one. If he was never there in the first place, or just continued to drive by, his dog would be alive and he would not have a pending court case.

[Exodus_2pt0]

You guys didn't wait long did you?

I told my Wife I did not support chopping our lab, yet somehow I ended up being the one who took him to have it done.

[GaryE30]

nut-less



come at me

[frankenbeemer]

Ok, so after reading all these posts I will now voice my opinion.

Most of the videos out there only begin from where the ABM (adult black male) is already on scene. There is a post with a link showing a longer video. Here it is.



Now although it is legal to record and voice your views and thoughts exercising your rights there is a limit to where you will receive what you may think is unwarranted behavior or action from the other party.

There is clearly a tense situation going on. There are around 6 police cars as well as a swat vehicle. In the beginning of the video you can hear on officer giving directions to whoever is inside the house. At 20 seconds into the video, there is a female walking out with her hands up. Also, you are able to see multiple vehicles passing by the scene. They don't stop to peer over at what is going on. They don't have all windows rolled down playing their music for the whole neighborhood to hear and then park to join to "festivities." When the ABM exits his vehicle, he had the choice to walk over the other spectators and ask them as to what is going on but instead he chooses to begin to distract the officers who are focused on the situation at hand. It is already heated at the scene, they have gone to assault rifles out, negotiation tactics, swat on scene. The officers are in the state of mind of life and death. They are trained over and over for these situations.

Going back to the video, in the first post of the thread with the original video at 2:20 seconds the ABM puts his dog in the car with the windows down as you are able to see two officers walking towards him. He then walks in the direction of the officers turns around and let’s himself get arrested/detained. He knew it was going to happen, he had seen it happening this is why he put his dog in the car. Some people have said on here that he was not doing anything wrong. Actually he was. It’s called obstruction of justice. It is an open ended law. The officers are most likely going to detain him and sit him in the back of a patrol car until the hostage situation cools down then talk to the man about his choices and his actions and be released. The man confined his dog which is an aggressive breed dog, and that is a fact. He then knows he is going to be arrested/detained. If his dog had not have jumped out of the window to protect its owner he would still be alive today. Better yet, if the man had just continued driving by there would be no issue at all. But, no he had to interject himself into this situation to cause a scene. He was making comments such as "Why are there no black cops?" and "This is a civil rights violation!" probably many others too. He wanted to get the attention of everyone around him, including the officers.

Now after the dog jumped out of the window and the man in in handcuffs. You are able to see the dog trying to figure out what is going on with his owner. You are also able to see an officer on edge, on alert most likely from being involved in a hostage situation as well as now dealing with an unknown dog which is an aggressive breed. The officer attempts to grab the leach of the dog. After the second try the dog jumps/lunges at the officer. After that point it's game over. The officer reacted as he was trained to do and instinctively as well.

Here is another video the police released of a different angle, you can see the dogs and the police officers’ actions more clearly.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Hawthorne-California-Police-Officer-Dog-Shot-214275441.html

Bottom line is this man knew what he was doing and he put himself and his dog in this situation. You can try and debate every angle of it you want, saying the cops were out of line or that he was not breaking any laws, that is not the bottom line of what happened. Those are straw man arguments. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man)

You need to see both sides of the situation and be able to put yourself in both as well. My background is military and armed security, however I have been on both sides of the law and can put myself on both viewpoints. You should as well when watching this video and reading these posts.

Did you really read this whole thread? Most of this has been covered with more insight than you provide here.

In the video, the other bystanders were conversing in normal (actually, somewhat quiet) voices despite the "blaring" music. It appears they were closer to the source of that music than the police, yet you propose the distraction was too much for the "highly trained" officers?

It's not a straw man argument to opine that the officers arrested Rosby to teach him a lesson.

Welcome to r3v!

[smitche]

Damn, swore to myself I would leave this post alone... Wine is a powerful drug, yo! :P

[smitche]

Show me there is such a thing as an "open ended law" and I will concede and agree with everything you say. I'm sorry though, I'm a huge believer in the 1st and 5th amendments, and saying there is an "open ended law" that eliminates that right is just not true. Again, it doesn't matter what his intentions were, we have are rights and are free to exercise them. If you don't agree with that, feel free to forfeit your rights and move to North Korea. Again, police are not above the law, they are not above the constitution, and do not have the authority to overrule your rights, and you should not allow it to happen.
Yes, I will not deny, the dogs owner was pushing his limits, he was trying to lure the law enforcement agents into violating his rights, and that's exactly what he got, however... As a law enforcement agent, you should be above reproach, you should be able to handle a "heckler" and move forward with your job. Honestly that is part of your job. I will agree that owner is equally as responsible as the officers involved, but I, absolutely, will not hold the owner solely responsible for the dogs death. Frankly, we will see what happens as things move forward. Willing to bet money I'm right.

[AF_Adam]

Ok, so after reading all these posts I will now voice my opinion.

Most of the videos out there only begin from where the ABM (adult black male) is already on scene. There is a post with a link showing a longer video. Here it is.

Not sure if it was posted yet / I didn't read the whole thread, but have you guys seen what was going on beforehand lol? This guy was asking for it.
Stopping, staring, parking and getting out, stupid loud music, etc.

Now although it is legal to record and voice your views and thoughts exercising your rights there is a limit to where you will receive what you may think is unwarranted behavior or action from the other party.

There is clearly a tense situation going on. There are around 6 police cars as well as a swat vehicle. In the beginning of the video you can hear on officer giving directions to whoever is inside the house. At 20 seconds into the video, there is a female walking out with her hands up. Also, you are able to see multiple vehicles passing by the scene. They don't stop to peer over at what is going on. They don't have all windows rolled down playing their music for the whole neighborhood to hear and then park to join to "festivities." When the ABM exits his vehicle, he had the choice to walk over the other spectators and ask them as to what is going on but instead he chooses to begin to distract the officers who are focused on the situation at hand. It is already heated at the scene, they have gone to assault rifles out, negotiation tactics, swat on scene. The officers are in the state of mind of life and death. They are trained over and over for these situations.

Going back to the video, in the first post of the thread with the original video at 2:20 seconds the ABM puts his dog in the car with the windows down as you are able to see two officers walking towards him. He then walks in the direction of the officers turns around and let’s himself get arrested/detained. He knew it was going to happen, he had seen it happening this is why he put his dog in the car. Some people have said on here that he was not doing anything wrong. Actually he was. It’s called obstruction of justice. It is an open ended law. The officers are most likely going to detain him and sit him in the back of a patrol car until the hostage situation cools down then talk to the man about his choices and his actions and be released. The man confined his dog which is an aggressive breed dog, and that is a fact. He then knows he is going to be arrested/detained. If his dog had not have jumped out of the window to protect its owner he would still be alive today. Better yet, if the man had just continued driving by there would be no issue at all. But, no he had to interject himself into this situation to cause a scene. He was making comments such as "Why are there no black cops?" and "This is a civil rights violation!" probably many others too. He wanted to get the attention of everyone around him, including the officers.

Now after the dog jumped out of the window and the man in in handcuffs. You are able to see the dog trying to figure out what is going on with his owner. You are also able to see an officer on edge, on alert most likely from being involved in a hostage situation as well as now dealing with an unknown dog which is an aggressive breed. The officer attempts to grab the leach of the dog. After the second try the dog jumps/lunges at the officer. After that point it's game over. The officer reacted as he was trained to do and instinctively as well.

Here is another video the police released of a different angle, you can see the dogs and the police officers’ actions more clearly.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Hawthorne-California-Police-Officer-Dog-Shot-214275441.html

Bottom line is this man knew what he was doing and he put himself and his dog in this situation. You can try and debate every angle of it you want, saying the cops were out of line or that he was not breaking any laws, that is not the bottom line of what happened. Those are straw man arguments. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man)

You need to see both sides of the situation and be able to put yourself in both as well. My background is military and armed security, however I have been on both sides of the law and can put myself on both viewpoints. You should as well when watching this video and reading these posts.

[Dozyproductions]

Borderline intrusive warrants an arrest and a dead dog. Gotcha

[Jean]

Jesus H tittyfucking Christ if I see this bullshit one more time...

Yes I am well aware it isn't illegal. I've watched dozens of videos on youtube of people not only filming unconstitutional police checkpoints, but standing up against them and driving away vindicated because the police/DHS/border patrol couldn't do shit to someone that actually knew their rights. I'm all for people standing up for their rights. But when you go out of your way to try to make a political/racial/religious/what-have-you statement, for no other reason than to pull the lion's tail to try to extort a reaction on camera so you can play "Gotcha!" on youtube, prepare to take some responsibility if the situation spirals out of control. The police have no idea if the crazy fucker with the big ass dog that keeps shouting at them is a threat to them. He was the only one of the many people spectating that made his presence obvious and borderline intrusive. He acted out of the ordinary and was confrontational. Great way to draw negative attention to yourself. The police very well could have detained him until they determined he wasn't a threat to them. Do I agree with it? No. Did he ask for it? Sure as shit did. It's strange how none of the other half dozen people that were recording the same police, at the same intersection, left the scene without being accosted, arrested, or shot...

+1. I have to agree, it really sucks that they shot the dog no doubt about that, but the way that guy handled himself was just asking for attention to himself. Could have locked the dog in the car a little better too....

carry on.

[Xat1cZ]

That last "you must't do this" message in the "anonymous" video looks like it was made by a 12 year old..

edit: actually, 7 y.o

[750]

[cale]

Oh no, is anonymous going to take down their website for a day and perhaps expose a string of distasteful emails shared by the cops?!?

[frankenbeemer]

Let's all post our DOGS!!!!!! and hug them lol

Apparently, it doesn't have to be a pic of your own dog.

Come on join in and post a pic of your rotti.....

And as far as ANON getting involved, how about they go after irresponsible dogg owners who put their dogs in bad situations.

It would be nice. It's not hard to make your dog obedient. Sarge will stop and lay down when commanded. It's for his safety, as demonstrated so vividly here.

[der affe]

Come on join in and post a pic of your rotti.....

And as far as ANON getting involved, how about they go after irresponsible dogg owners who put their dogs in bad situations.

[F34R]

Let's all post our DOGS!!!!!! and hug them lol