Hawthorne Police Officer shooting dog. (NSFW)

[smitche]

I'm not saying anything about the dogs behavior, I'm saying had he not been detained the dog would have never attacked, situation resolved. I don't care what you or I assume, the law is the law is the law, that is fact!

[Arems87e]

First of all, don't refer to me as a dude, bro, because I'm not. Step off.

Second of all, I live in a town that is being taken over with the same ignorant types of people, who test the waters with police, question their authority, and pull the race card, privileges (or lack there of), bad situations, etc all the time.

The guy shouldn't have been there in the first place, he brought the large dog there, he left the windows down enough for it to jump out and he pissed off the cops, more his fault than the cops. I love animals but i would have shot it if it had come at me.

The problem with mace and tazer is that a dog like a rotti (I love rotties, I was a vet asst for a year so this was hard to see) will fight or die to protect their owner. Mace or tazing generally doesn't stop these dogs that are determined to sacrifice their lives for their owners. I feel awful for the dog. But the fault lies in the hands of the owner for putting the dog in the situation to begin with. He knows his dog would protect him and leaving the windows wide open was an invitation for the dog to come and freak out on who was "hurting" their master.

If this guy was such a great owner, the dog would have been trained enough to follow simple commands such as "stop, sit, heel," etc. It comes down to it being the OWNERS fault, he put the dog in that situation. Had he not antagonized the police and walked by without purpose, making an obvious attempt to cause a disturbance in what appeared to be a pretty serious crime scene/bust (judging by the 4 other cop cars there) the dog would be alive. Or if he had properly trained the dog to obey and sit, the dog would be alive.

Der Affe, my boyfriend, has a German bred rottweiler, who knows commands in English as well as German. The dog obeys and listens to everything he says. If you are going to own a dog that weighs 100-150 pounds that was bred to defend till the death of/for the owner, masters, pack, etc, you need to train it. I've seen too many cases such as these come into our vet clinic, and because the dog thought the owner was threatened, ended up having to be shot to get it's jaws off of persons. I can't tell you the number of attacks that happen from untrained dogs that end up in the dog having to be put down, all because it was doing what was instinctual. It isn't the dog's fault, again, it was/is the owners.

After your dog (who is untrained, didn't know any better, owner negligence) who attacked somebody is euthanized, we cut through the skull with a dremmel and remove your dog's brain. The brain is then sent out to be screened for rabies and the like. Your dog gets dragged away and put down because of aggression and being untrained. You can't even view the body unless you would like to pay extra for the skull cap to be put back in place and the scalp of the animal stitched back together.

Moral of the story? Take your dog to classes or train them correctly, don't put your dog in situations that could intentionally lead to the dogs demise. It comes down to it being the owners fault.

what do you mean by those "types of people" again thats an ignorant statement, DUUUUDE! BROOOO.."And then pull the race card" so because you experienced someone pull the race card, you are go stereotyping and judging people based on their race instead of their actions now?...You, ARE EXACTLY WHAT you're complaining about! In one hand you are claiming some types of people pull the race card, on the other hand you're judging them based on their race...:roll: Go do some soul searching, bro :D.

The geniuses that these cops were, they could have let the guy get the dog situated back in the car, since he wasn't been arrested for a violent crime. If you take a good look at that video, right at the moment the dog was shot, you could actually see that the cop himself lunged himself in front of the dog with his hand.which provoked the dog to jump high.

Since you're an expert, why don't you go write a book on how to train dogs in German and English. and make sure to go the "hood" to sell some copies cause I'm sure those "types of people" will want some.

[LSM3]

Replace the cops with a man and his children and everyone here would be ok with the shooting. If a large, aggressive, unrestrained dog comes at me, my family or friends and I have a gun, knife, bat or sword. I'm putting it down. Point blank. Done deal. I'm not waiting for it to bite me. I'm not waiting till it lunges so many times etc. Im not a freakin dog whisperer. Im not going to stand there and REASON with a animal that could seriously hurt me or people around me. That's what I'm going to do and I don't expect anything less from anyone else. If that dog would have attacked anyone else on that block people would be bitching that the cops let it run wild and attack people. Its a lose/lose.

[frankenbeemer]

Saw this and passing it along for those that would like to write or call.

The "piece of shit" is not the shooter, he is the departmental spokesman. Might as well condemn anyone with Swain in their name.

Swain's art store in Glendale found itself as an unlikely target of public furry after an online video of a Hawthorne police officer shooting a Rottweiler to death went viral Monday.

How Swain’s got dragged into the public blowback appears to be the result of a roughshod search performed by a handful of bloggers.
The bloggers apparently did a quick online search for the name of the only Hawthorne police officer associated to the shooting incident’s response — because he’s the department’s spokesman. But even then, they pulled and posted the address for the art store.

So by Monday morning, not only was the public told to direct their anger at a police official who was merely acting as a spokesman, but they were disseminating the address of an art store 24 miles away in Glendale.

http://www.glendalenewspress.com/news/tn-gnp-glendale-store-dragged-into-maelstrom-over-hawthorne-police-shooting-of-rottweiler-20130702,0,4290714.story

[Redfox]

what do you mean by those "types of people" again thats an ignorant statement, DUUUUDE! BROOOO.."And then pull the race card" so because you experienced someone pull the race card, you are go stereotyping and judging people based on their race instead of their actions now?...You, ARE EXACTLY WHAT you're complaining about! In one hand you are claiming some types of people pull the race card, on the other hand you're judging them based on their race...:roll: Go do some soul searching, bro :D.

The geniuses that these cops were, they could have let the guy get the dog situated back in the car, since he wasn't been arrested for a violent crime. If you take a good look at that video, right at the moment the dog was shot, you could actually see that the cop himself lunged himself in front of the dog with his hand.which provoked the dog to jump high.

Since you're an expert, why don't you go write a book on how to train dogs in German and English. and make sure to go the "hood" to sell some copies cause I'm sure those "types of people" will want some.

Sure thing 'mam. Are you pmsing? Your emotions seem to get the best of ya! You may want to go change that tamp

ACTIONS speak louder than words. The way this man was ACTING, BEHAVING, leads a perfect and open opportunity to come up and approach him, ask him questions. The officers were not in the wrong. The dog charged them first, and because it was an untrained dog and did not submit it was shot. But I suppose again we should wait for the dog to bite someone while we let this man take the time to walk it back to the car again. He had plenty of time to roll windows up, or not intensify the situation by waving a camera around, acting loud, ignorant, and suspicious in an already high stress crime scene/situation.

You are reasoning with emotion, which is not facts. When you don't involve your emotions in an argument and can provide facts, then come talk to me. I don't train anything in german. My boyfriend's rottweiler is a trained german rottie. People like you blame everyone else for their problems. You have the mentality of a child. Always someone else's fault.

But we won't argue back with facts or reason, noooooooo, we won't do that. We will argue with nit picking bits and pieces of a post because that somehow ruins the credibility, though animal behavior and the facts of the matter are the meat and potatoes of the thread, not the napkin or salt and pepper around it. How old are you, 15?

[Arems87e]

You can't make any qualified judgements over animal positioning and behavior if you have no experience. Being someone who has experience I can accurately respond. But apparently know all tell all, who has no experience and is reacting out of emotion rather than thought out facts , thinks that they are right. Again, without using facts. Emotions do not equal facts. I am a dog lover/animal lover and this was hard to see. However the facts remain that it is the owners' fault.

The animal was charging at them. It did not submit. It was untrained, it was off leash in a situation that was already high alert.

For you to assume I would punch someone in the face for calling a name is ignorant. If someone(thing) who was the size/weight of an adult human was charging at me with a weapon in their hand because I am touching their family/owner/whatever (TEETH AND JAWS ARE WEAPONS) you bet your ass I would shoot and defend myself. Whether it is a bear, a dog, a bobcat, a human. Why would I wait for it to already begin attacking me and allowing it to lock it's jaws onto me or one of my own? You are ignorant as hell lol.

Bottom line, if the dog were trained it would have submitted and the police would not have seen it as a threat, and it would be alive. If the owner didn't put the dog in this position, it would be alive. If the owner didn't pace back and forth against an "opposing pack" that is strange and unknown, and allowed it to access this pack as they approached and touched one of it's own, it would be alive.

IT IS THE OWNERS NEGLIGENCE. THAT IS ALL. There is absolutely nothing to argue as far as whose fault it is.

Oh, by the way, had the dog attacked officers and they had not shot at it, the dog would have been euthanized, it's skull would be drilled open, and brain yanked out and sent out for rabies and other tests that they run, and study, to see if there are abnormalities. But I guess THAT would be okay, because it's not a gun shooting the dog. Shooting a dog is terrible, but either way this dog would have been dead no matter what the officers actions would have been, whether they shot or not. If they tazed it would have pissed this dog off more than a Mormon who comes to church with no seats left. Macing it would have pissed it off more. The dog is only dead because of the owners' irresponsibility.

Using your own words..
You need to be telling those trigger happy live target cops that. OK Bro?

Giving your statements here, you're no different from that dumb cop that shot the dog. Don't give me that bullshit that you're an animal lover. I don't care how much time you've spent with animals or slept with them.

THE GUY HAD EVERY RIGHT TO BE THERE AND TO FILM THEM. END OF STORY

[delatlanta1281]

Sooo we are going to lock this right?
Was the dog leashed? I'm not watching it.

[smitche]

Re-watch the video, they were not questioning, they detained him before the dog even got excited. Again, had he not been detained, the dog would have never been provoked and gotten excited. It was docile as cam be until his best friend was cuffed. This has nothing to do with emotion, only stating facts.

[z6ne]

You can't make any qualified judgements over animal positioning and behavior if you have no experience. Being someone who has experience I can accurately respond. But apparently know all tell all, who has no experience and is reacting out of emotion rather than thought out facts , thinks that they are right. Again, without using facts. Emotions do not equal facts. I am a dog lover/animal lover and this was hard to see. However the facts remain that it is the owners' fault.

The animal was charging at them. It did not submit. It was untrained, it was off leash in a situation that was already high alert.

For you to assume I would punch someone in the face for calling a name is ignorant. If someone(thing) who was the size/weight of an adult human was charging at me with a weapon in their hand because I am touching their family/owner/whatever (TEETH AND JAWS ARE WEAPONS) you bet your ass I would shoot and defend myself. Whether it is a bear, a dog, a bobcat, a human. Why would I wait for it to already begin attacking me and allowing it to lock it's jaws onto me or one of my own? You are ignorant as hell lol.

Bottom line, if the dog were trained it would have submitted and the police would not have seen it as a threat, and it would be alive. If the owner didn't put the dog in this position, it would be alive. If the owner didn't pace back and forth against an "opposing pack" that is strange and unknown, and allowed it to access this pack as they approached and touched one of it's own, it would be alive.

IT IS THE OWNERS NEGLIGENCE. THAT IS ALL. There is absolutely nothing to argue as far as whose fault it is.

Oh, by the way, had the dog attacked officers and they had not shot at it, the dog would have been euthanized, it's skull would be drilled open, and brain yanked out and sent out for rabies and other tests that they run, and study, to see if there are abnormalities. But I guess THAT would be okay, because it's not a gun shooting the dog. Shooting a dog is terrible, but either way this dog would have been dead no matter what the officers actions would have been, whether they shot or not. If they tazed it would have pissed this dog off more than a Mormon who comes to church with no seats left. Macing it would have pissed it off more. The dog is only dead because of the owners' irresponsibility.

You seem like a really anal person.

edit: , bro.

[z6ne]

Sooo we are going to lock this right?

[Redfox]

Using your own words..
You need to be telling those trigger happy live target cops that. OK Bro?

Giving your statements here, you're no different from that dumb cop that shot the dog. Don't give me that bullshit that you're an animal lover. I don't care how much time you've spent with animals or slept with them.

THE GUY HAD EVERY RIGHT TO BE THERE AND TO FILM THEM. END OF STORY

You don't know me, I own two dogs that are the most spoiled dogs in the world. I have helped save many lives of dogs. YOU ARE ACTING OFF EMOTION. Maybe when your hormonal changes of your monthly wear off you'll think clearly.

A cop is dumb for doing their job. And I'm dumb for supporting the cops decision to defend himself and fellow officers? Yeah, you definitely need some growing up to do buddy. I guess the other half of this thread are all animal haters and dumb too, right?

[Redfox]

You seem like a really anal person.

edit: ,bro.

Oh, extremely when it comes to certain things, like civil matters/law/rights, etc. I'm very organized, I read a lot, I research a lot, just for knowledge. I took law academy, and look at each situation on the facts, not emotions surrounding it. Applying factual knowledge vs feelings generally gives you the right answer to go with.


Thanks 'mam ;)

[Arems87e]

Saw this and passing it along for those that would like to write or call.

Look at the cop still in posture, pointing the gun at the poor dog dying, as it might just get up, turn into godzilla and come after him....smh what a shame of a cop!

[Redfox]

Look at the cop still in posture, pointing the gun at the poor dog dying, as it might just get up, turn into godzilla and come after him....smh what a shame of a cop!

So we should allow the dog to suffer and roll around on the ground dying instead of finishing it off and putting it out of it's misery? I would rather my dog die immediately over painful and slow death. Chances are the dogs lungs were filling with blood and its nervous system with adrenaline was going haywire. It would continue to do this for what could be another 5-10 minutes.

You must be the ones who refuse to euthanize a dog or consider it inhumane, despite how sick it is. Real animal lover.

[5ickride]

I dont think you can argue that the cop did not have the right to put the dog down as he was being attacked. No, the argument here is the cops actions that triggered the chain of events that happened after. Like mentioned before, if he was not under arrest, they should have let the guy control his dog.