Hawthorne Police Officer shooting dog. (NSFW)

[delatlanta1281]

I am moving to the land of humidity to be with my future wife......;)

Dude Farbin lives in Idaho or some shit.

[der affe]

i'll bite with a pic.



he is a little tired after a 3 mile afternoon walk

[LSM3]

Blaming the police for the actions of the dog is like blaming this kid for throwing a temper tantrum which resulted in an attack and the child's death.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/boy-survived-oklahoma-tornado-mauled-bull-mastiff/story?id=19374022

If he would not have thrown the tantrum and yelled at the dogs owner, the dog wouldn't have attacked him....come on.

Furthermore please let's not sit here and ACT as if all dogs are the same and its only the owners. Some breeds are naturally MORE aggressive. Couple that with the ABILITY to cause great bodily damage ie large/muscular and you have the potential for a bad situation.

Its a sad situation all the way around. The fact is the police did not CAUSE this situation. Let's play devils advocate and say the detainment was 100% justified. Does that now mean that the police are NOT to blame? Cause if they are to blame then how would they go about detaining people with dogs? "Sorry, can't detain that guy cause we don't want to provoke his dog" ?? Should they uncuff someone to detain their dog? OR SHOULD DOG OWNERS JUST BE RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO SECURE THEIR ANIMALS????

Point blank if that dog was secured this would of never happened. The police have the authority to detain citizens. We have NO IDEA what occurred prior to the video. Its obvious the dog owner knew he was going to be contacted because he put the dog in the car and walked back to the officers and complied. For all we know he was released after the shooting. The only difference is his dog would be alive if it didn't get out.

[der affe]

i have an example of what you are talking about.
i was pulled over in Paradise Valley for doing 83 in a 45 pmh zone at 3 am.
i was on my way back from the emergency vet with my rotti after a 1 month stay for flesh eating bacteria and had to go to work the next morning.

the officer came to my driver window and say the dog in the pass seat. although the dog showed not signs of agression, he asked me to please exit the car so as not to upset the dog.

i explained my situation and admitted that i knew i was speeding but because of the empty road i had no idea how fast i was going.

he understood and being a dog owner himself, he wrote the ticket for 19 over the posted limit and let me go home.

in AZ if you are arrested and have an animal they will call animal control and have them remove the dog normally.

[Mr. Tasty]

many lols in this thread. thank you

[E30 Wagen]

Nobody should have to be afraid to "test the waters" with law enforcement!!!

You're a disrespectful dumbass if you do.

The typical response to what I just wrote usually entails "then you're a mindless, ignorant sheep, and blah blah..." No, I simply have respect for the people who have to deal with onerous social situations day after day for the sake of removing degenerates from our society. Cops don't want to hurt anybody. They just want fulfilment from the work they do, which I think is something we can all relate to, but I don't think many can relate to working in the public eye and the endless criticism that comes with it. Unfortunately I think this makes some cops resent society...

My uncle is a cop and a firefighter and an emt, and he's very good at all of them and I have a lot of respect for that, which should explain my feelings about cops here.

You think baggy shorts are illegal?

Don't be rediculous. How did I even remotely imply his outfit warrants some kind of civil infraction? Dressing less like a gangster probably would have got him off, though. Add an aggrandizing, middle-aged black male to the equation and what do you expect. Instant target for a cop who's already on high alert. It's difficult not to roll your eyes and think "saw that coming." It sucks; it's like there will never be an end to racial profiling b/c it just keeps reinforcing itself. I think we'd all like to move on and live in a more cohesive society.

Yet it's a funny paradox watching the guy describe the situation and it's clear that he has a calm personality (and I bet his dog did as well). So, what the hell drew him to the situation there in the first place? To fight "The Man?" There are better ways, dude, and it doesn't involve confronting on-the-job law enforcement. In the big picture, race is not the issue, but about people who let their emotions dictate their behavior; they get all worked up, poor decisions get made, and then shit gets real very fast.

I think the cops overreacted, but without know everything that the guy yelled at them I can only guess at their justification for handcuffing. I believe he was simply interfering with an important job and they just wanted him out of the way. It's unfortunate that an officer uninformed of the situation got involved and drew his gun on the dog. In my opinion the dog would not have done anything if the third cop hadn't himself confronted it and after viewing the video a few times I'll stand by that. The behavior of the dog was not aggressive enough to warrant gunfire, it's fucking terrible it came to that. It's just a fucked up situation from every angle but the instigator is without a doubt the baggy shorts guy.

[ak-]

Not sure if it was posted yet / I didn't read the whole thread, but have you guys seen what was going on beforehand lol? This guy was asking for it.
Stopping, staring, parking and getting out, stupid loud music, etc.

[Deltron Dirty30]

nah man i dont have a dog or even a pet but that dog did not deserve to die.

he wasnt doing anything illegal. honestly the first time i watched it, I thought they were going to just come over there and talk to him instead of arresting him.

[der affe]

That dog did not deserve to die, but that fucker that owned it should be banned from owning anything but a hampster from this point on. That way his asinine posturing can not cause the demise of any other animals.

[smitche]

You're a disrespectful dumbass if you do.

The typical response to what I just wrote usually entails "then you're a mindless, ignorant sheep, and blah blah..." No, I simply have respect for the people who have to deal with onerous social situations day after day for the sake of removing degenerates from our society. Cops don't want to hurt anybody. They just want fulfilment from the work they do, which I think is something we can all relate to, but I don't think many can relate to working in the public eye and the endless criticism that comes with it. Unfortunately I think this makes some cops resent society...

My uncle is a cop and a firefighter and an emt, and he's very good at all of them and I have a lot of respect for that, which should explain my feelings about cops here.


Don't be rediculous. How did I even remotely imply his outfit warrants some kind of civil infraction? Dressing less like a gangster probably would have got him off, though. Add an aggrandizing, middle-aged black male to the equation and what do you expect. Instant target for a cop who's already on high alert. It's difficult not to roll your eyes and think "saw that coming." It sucks; it's like there will never be an end to racial profiling b/c it just keeps reinforcing itself. I think we'd all like to move on and live in a more cohesive society.

Yet it's a funny paradox watching the guy describe the situation and it's clear that he has a calm personality (and I bet his dog did as well). So, what the hell drew him to the situation there in the first place? To fight "The Man?" There are better ways, dude, and it doesn't involve confronting on-the-job law enforcement. In the big picture, race is not the issue, but about people who let their emotions dictate their behavior; they get all worked up, poor decisions get made, and then shit gets real very fast.

Haha, judge me sir... But I'm the kind of guy that makes sure you're treated fairly by law enforcement. I'm the kind of guy that makes sure law enforcement officials are held accountable for their actions, and are not held above the law. You can call me all the names you want, but you don't know me, you done know how I treat others, including law enforcement. I've worked with and have respect for many officers... Hell, I've had officials testify on my behalf... But respect is earned, not given just because you have a badge. The fact remains, there is nothing in these videos that show the dogs owner doing anything illegal, yet he was detained by officers which, in turn, provoked his dog to protect him, and the dog was killed. Had the dog not been provoked, this post wouldn't exist. That is the bottom line. Yes, the dog lunged... Yes, the dog was a threat, and yes, the dog was shot because of that. However, the dog was provoked due to unlawful detainment of his owner. Can anybody really argue that? And guess what, it doesn't matter what the owners intentions were, he did nothing illegal (no charges filed) and therefore should not have been detained.
I still stand my ground, he was detained unlawfully which provoked his dog... Law enforcement should be held accountable.

ps - I have not personally attacked anyone in this thread, and would appreciate the same courtesy.

[!kid]

what I don't get, why would the cop use his gun and not pepper spray or a taser?

[markt51]

Whats sad is it looks like the cop didnt even have the decency to finish off the dog, he just let it lay there and die. The dog didnt even appear that aggressive.

My little West Highland White terrier would for sure get shot by cops. He is nice and doesnt bite, but he jumps and snaps(excited kind of snapping, not aggressive) on new people that come in the door, and he barks. Lets not even get started on how he freaks the fuck out if he sees a gun, even a finger gun lol.

[der affe]

A dog can cover ground very quickly (look at videos of police dogs training or taking down a suspect) by the time they tried to tazer or mace the dog ( which in this situation would have most likely been ineffective) & it had no effect the dog would have been on top of and biting the officers to protect it's packleader (I will call him "baggy pants" as he was so elegantly named earlier in the thread).

I highly doubt the officer was high fiving the fact that he killed a dog today, but shooting it was the most effective way of removing the threat ( a threat brought about by the negligence of it's owner) to himself and his fellow officers.

There is not sunday morning General mentality about this like "he should have wounded the dog" or any other statements that come up.

[der affe]

Whats sad is it looks like the cop didnt even have the decency to finish off the dog, he just let it lay there and die. The dog didnt even appear that aggressive.

My little West Highland White terrier would for sure get shot by cops. He is nice and doesnt bite, but he jumps and snaps(excited kind of snapping, not aggressive) on new people that come in the door, and he barks. Lets not even get started on how he freaks the fuck out if he sees a gun, even a finger gun lol.

If you are so afraid of this, then you also know that this is unacceptable behavior from your dog. Get some training for your dog (or hell buy some Dog Whisper DVDs)

Christ people, it is not that fucking hard to train your fucking dog how to properly behave. It is also your GOD DAM responsibility as a dog owner. A jumping, snapping, hyper excited dog is never acceptable. Would you let your fucking kids act like this? ( I hope not!) Treat your dog like your child and expect it to behave like the offspring you hope to have.

[markt51]

If you are so afraid of this, then you also know that this is unacceptable behavior from your dog. Get some training for your dog (or hell buy some Dog Whisper DVDs)

Christ people, it is not that fucking hard to train your fucking dog how to properly behave. It is also your GOD DAM responsibility as a dog owner. A jumping, snapping, hyper excited dog is never acceptable. Would you let your fucking kids act like this? ( I hope not!) Treat your dog like your child and expect it to behave like the offspring you hope to have.

I didnt say i was afraid of it, and my dog is very well behaved and very well trained. He just wasnt socialized much as a puppy. But believe me, we are working on overcoming the crazy hyper jumping thing with visitors. I expect nothing less than perfect behavior from him. Was just stating that my dog would most definitely get shot by a cop in his current state, and as his owner, i wouldnt be surprised if an officer felt threatened with a dog such as mine charging and barking at him. I am in the police academy myself, and completely understand the rationality of scenarios such as the one in the video. Does it make it easier to watch or do? no, but its one of the nasty thing that occasionally comes up in the line of work.

Also der affe, maybe it was just me, but the tone of your response to mine was a bit dickish, uncalled for, and over the top.

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