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  • rwh11385
    lance_entities
    • Oct 2003
    • 18403

    #61
    Originally posted by Cletonius
    After you've applied for your card, setup an Amazon payments account, and maybe get a prepaid debt card. There are multiple ways to do this. Now that you can set a pin on a gift card you can use that as well.
    Crazy bro. Like your follow-up post mentioned: http://www.weflyfree.com/manufacturi...amex-bluebird/

    I'm not sure I'd go that far but more power to you to take advantage of arbitrage.

    Originally posted by BlackbirdM3
    I've never had a credit card, a loan, or anything like that. I'm perfectly fine without. I don't care about a so called credit rating, because if I can't pay in full, I can't afford it. That includes a house. I will never buy a house unless I can pay the full amount up front, otherwise you never own the house, you just rent it from the bank, and if you can't pay the rent, you are out. Its just like renting a house from someone else but you have to pay the property tax and all that crap.

    I'm 100% debt free and I don't plan on changing that. No car loans, student loans, credit cards, mortgages, nothing, and I'm damn proud of it. No, I don't have a lot of $, but I do a good job of managing it. I have no clue what my credit rating is, and I don't care either. I pay my bills on time, that is all I care about. ( I don't have a lot of bills to pay either.)

    Credit is what screwed the economy up in the first place. All the banks were willing to give credit to just about anyone, then when things started to go south, the banks called in the credit and people couldn't afford to pay it. The banks failed, the people failed and we have the meltdown that we have today. Despite what it seems, the world doesn't run on borrowed money. Someone needs to pay at some point.

    Will
    Originally posted by BlackbirdM3
    I can't afford to buy a place, then pay to keep it up. I make a little more than $40K a year. On top of that, if I were to buy a place, and decide to go elsewhere (I'd love to get the hell out of Napa, the place sucks if you happen to be single and don't drink or smoke.) I'd end up having to pay both rent on a new place plus pay the bank for the old place. Not happening. The only thing I'd get out of buying a place is a load of headaches and hopefully a 2 car garage that I can work in without being hassled by my landlady.

    Thanks, I'd rather be 100% debt free. Besides, I hate working on houses. All my friends have gotten married and all they do is work on the stupid house. Boring. Several of those people have lost money on houses.

    I've been financially independent since I was 18. I worked and paid my way through college, paid cash for all my cars, and bicycles, and I've learned to be responsible with the little money I have. I've had a few close calls, but had I tried to live on credit in those close calls, I'd be screwed now. I don't like banks making $ off me through interest. I'd rather pay it all up front and have (whatever it might be) all mine right then and there.

    Will


    I didn't know Dave Ramsey or Susie Orman posted on R3V?

    It's one thing to express that it is your personal choice to be cash-only and shy away from debt, but a whole different case when you try to support your opinion with illogical and bad points.

    As Todd Black 88 pointed out, good luck ever buying a house in cash... unless it is a foreclosed shack in a bad part of town. Practically speaking, you are basically writing off home ownership because of circular logic based in dislike for credit. (I don't care about my score because I'll never buy a house because I hate credit) Is paying a mortgage simply renting the house? Is it the same as renting it from another person? What happens if the market rises? Does the bank profit? Or do you? This is a capitalist society where those who take risk and invest reap the rewards or losses. Hence, if you borrow money to buy a house, you profit or lose in its sale, not the bank. You own the house with a liability to the mortgage that is tied to the asset. The bank owns your loan and wins interest if you pay and risks a loss if you don't. The same way small businesses operate, bonds work, etc.

    How good of job do you do in managing money? Do you have 6-8 months of income aside in emergency funds? Do you have money aside for a deductible if you get in an accident with comprehensive insurance or do you have enough saved aside for another car? Do you have enough different banks with sufficient funds and several debit cards in case one ever gets locked? A classmate in college had a dumb waitress put $1,500 instead of $15.00 in the computer at BW-3's and he couldn't pay his rent, buy food, or do anything. Could that happen to you? Are you assuming that it won't? If someone stole my CC even, I have plenty of backup ones I could use, or write checks, or take out cash. Do you carry a lot of cash around on you? What if you get robbed? Fraud and stolen credit cards are easily fixed. If you are covered for all of those things, props. If not, might want to thing seriously about how good of a job you are doing.

    What exactly is "called in credit"?

    Not being able to afford a place in cash is pretty much why future purchases like a house or new car are financed over many/several years. That's kind of using circular logic again. Don't want to keep up a house/yard? Townhouse/condo... Arguing that all mortgaged properties are SFH's is poor logic. Couldn't you buy a place and close when your rental agreement was up? Arguing you'd have to pay for both makes absolutely no sense.

    This all goes back to you wanting to be cash-only / debt-free as a personal choice... without much more to go on besides that. You are entitled to live however you see fit but don't try and push poor logic on others.

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    • z31maniac
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      • Dec 2007
      • 17566

      #62
      Wife and I both have a Chase Sapphire, good rewards.
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      • mrsleeve
        I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
        • Mar 2005
        • 16385

        #63
        While I tend to agree with blackbird that debt sucks and I dont carry any. I really would like to BUY my house, with my money. That being said I would still sign a mortgage even if I could pay for it cash, as you can take that money and make more with it in conservative investment than what your going to pay in interest (for now anyway).

        I get credit is a tool and can be used for good and can end badly. I use it for good, but when things took a shit it 07 it ended badly for me, I have been on both sides of this coin and my credit score still bares those scars. I am back over 700 again but I should be in the 820 range. I have been up past my eye balls in debt and I am now very very liquid on the positive side of things.

        To me, debts beyond what you can cover in 30 days time = lack of choices to do what I want. If I want to take 3 months off, and go fishing every day I CAN, if I want to take the wife to Fiji for a month I CAN . If I want to work every single day to make my pile of beans bigger, I CAN. If I want to take a job that pays way less but = more time with my family I CAN. If we want to pack up and move to some other place WE CAN. I dont work to make my payments (been there done that), I am working for my self so I can do the things I WANT TO DO when I can get the time off. Not being tied to 6 figures of debt, give you more freedom in your life to make the choices you want too, and that is a freedom thats very very hard to give up. Some might call it not growing up and being and adult, but who says growing up required selling your soul to the bank.

        One thing about renting in a shitty job market like we have now gives you flexibility to move about and adapt to the jobs. it will let you move from city to city for keeping employed with out having to sell your house 1st.

        I have a solid and generous income, but I still am scared to death of a mortgage, the idea of HAVING to come up with 1500-2500 a month + everything else for 15-30 years scares the be-jesus outta me. That said we were supposed to look at place sunday before I left, but the neighbors to it made a full price CASH offer for it the night before so that ones out (on the market for 5 days) . I not looking forward to a payment and writing a HUGE check, but we all need a place to live and the place we are in really just does not work well for our situation.
        Originally posted by Fusion
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        • z31maniac
          I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
          • Dec 2007
          • 17566

          #64
          ^See...........then, uh, don't buy a huge place?

          The wife and I bought a house that we could EASILY afford on one income. Even with a track car, car payment on the DD, bills/mortgage, etc..........I still put more money in MY savings account every month then our mortgage. And she is able to do the same thing in her account, and that doesn't include our retirement contributions we also make. While still getting to travel, go to concerts, frequently eat at nice restaurants and buy good booze for the house.

          But it's hard for most people to live in an 1100 sq ft, 40 year old home, when they could go sign up for a "McMansion". We will also have the house paid off by the time I'm 40, and I'll be done working by 60 (if not sooner)........while most of the other schlubs are still working to pay their mortgage and truck payments.........while not having put nearly enough into retirement.
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          • mrsleeve
            I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
            • Mar 2005
            • 16385

            #65
            I am not looking to buy a HUGE place, its our Real-estate market is retarded and I refuse to live in town. We need a little more space because of our situation. But still we are looking in that 1700-2200 Sq/ft range we just need a minimum of 10 ac prefer closer to 20 though. When I am working even at 2500 a month we would still be putting at least that into the bank for savings on top of day to day costs and paying extra principal, its just I have been on the flip side of that coin and I dont like that feeling.
            Originally posted by Fusion
            If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
            The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


            The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

            Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
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            • Jorgen
              Grease Monkey
              • Aug 2011
              • 320

              #66
              How in the world did we get this far into homeownership.

              People make and lose money daily in real estate. I just can't get my head around wanting to pay rent and being "debt free" instead of paying into equity on a property you own the right to sell. No matter what you will always have to have a roof over your head I would rather at least not be paying for someone else's equity to get mine.

              I guess I am just a person who looks at things as acceptable debt and bad debt. Credit cards, car loans etc are bad I avoid paying interest on them when I can, cars sometimes is a little harder but I pay them off as quick as possible. I am accepting of mortgages as long as I don't refi and still have a 30 year note at the end of my career. I am also okay with student loans as long as you don't get 100k in loans for a potential career making 20k/year.
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              • evandael
                R3VLimited
                • Oct 2009
                • 2881

                #67
                credit is a tool. i would liken it to an orbital polisher. if you know how to use it, you can get it to do wonderful things. if you don't, you will fvck things up big time, and fast.

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                • MR 325
                  Moderator
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 37827

                  #68
                  This thread has been a great read!

                  I've been working on building my credit and getting out of the cash mindset. I started with a secured CC through the bank and just recently got a Chase Freedom card which I have yet to use. I've also decided to finance a (sub 10k) car that I can easily afford monthly to serve as a credit builder. I'll be 27 in 3 months and it's time to get things moving. Things are a lot harder here in Southern California with the cost of living and cost of homes but if my plan works out I'll be able to buy a house at 30.
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                  • Jorgen
                    Grease Monkey
                    • Aug 2011
                    • 320

                    #69
                    For those trying to build credit I'm not sure how true it is but I have heard that taking those stupid as shit payday loans can do well for your credit as it shows as a loan not revolving credit like a CC does. You just take them out and pay them off the next day spending a little cash on interest and fees. I have never done it and don't plan to but some claim it is helpful
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                    • rwh11385
                      lance_entities
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 18403

                      #70
                      I wouldn't do that, rather do a secured loan against a CD of the loan amount and keep the $ in the bank and make payments automatically. Some speaker at a college leadership conference said that's what he did along with financing a $2k truck.

                      edit:
                      Matt, this book is great for what you are looking for: http://www.iwillteachyoutoberich.com/book/
                      Last edited by rwh11385; 07-10-2013, 02:40 PM.

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                      • Cletonius
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                        • Oct 2010
                        • 2809

                        #71
                        Originally posted by rwh11385
                        I wouldn't do that, rather do a secured loan against a CD of the loan amount and keep the $ in the bank and make payments automatically. Some speaker at a college leadership conference said that's what he did along with financing a $2k truck.
                        Share loans are a good way to build credit for sure.

                        Check out creditboards.com, there's a wealth of information on how to build credit and recover from errors.
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                        • rwh11385
                          lance_entities
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 18403

                          #72
                          Originally posted by z31maniac
                          Wife and I both have a Chase Sapphire, good rewards.
                          Well apparently they can't convert anything to Sapphire. Only slate to freedom. And freedom to slate. So I have two Freedoms now...


                          And sleeve is unique. His preference is clear and that's fine, it's not like he's making bad points about why it is stupid for anyone, just not for his space/privacy sentiment or desire for land. If he had a different lifestyle in a city or lived where a 1500 sq ft house has a total mortgage payment under $500, might be a different story.

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                          • evandael
                            R3VLimited
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 2881

                            #73
                            Originally posted by rwh11385
                            Some speaker at a college leadership conference said that's what he did along with financing a $2k truck.

                            i too have heard that.

                            i am considering buying a car i know i can afford with my credit card. why?

                            - i can afford the car in cash
                            - i'm still in the 0% intro APR period
                            - have a reasonably large limit between my two cards (so the car in question won't even hit 20% credit utilization)
                            - i'll pay it off before the interest rate kicks in and build my credit in the meantime.

                            my view is i'd rather have that money saved away for an emergency, or making money for me elsewhere, than to just throw a big lump sum at an object.

                            i feel there is a key difference between buying on credit, and using credit. to buy something on credit means you can't afford it at the time of purchase. to use credit means exactly that.. you're intelligently and responsibly taking advantage of 'free' money, which is backed up by your own personal savings and income.

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                            • Thizzelle
                              R3V Elite
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 4422

                              #74
                              Originally posted by JCarp90
                              My rent is $1300/mo lol. I fucking hate it, especially knowing that a house larger than we are renting would cost us probably $300/mo less and we would own it.

                              As soon as our lease is up in October, we plan to buy a house. We were pre-approved before we signed this lease but we just didn't have the time to house hunt and close in time and that's IF we found the house we wanted in the first few days of searching.
                              yeah fucking house searching took 9 months for me. A bunch of shit houses over priced.
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                              • Cletonius
                                R3VLimited
                                • Oct 2010
                                • 2809

                                #75
                                Originally posted by evandael
                                i too have heard that.

                                i am considering buying a car i know i can afford with my credit card. why?

                                - i can afford the car in cash
                                - i'm still in the 0% intro APR period
                                - have a reasonably large limit between my two cards (so the car in question won't even hit 20% credit utilization)
                                - i'll pay it off before the interest rate kicks in and build my credit in the meantime.

                                my view is i'd rather have that money saved away for an emergency, or making money for me elsewhere, than to just throw a big lump sum at an object.

                                i feel there is a key difference between buying on credit, and using credit. to buy something on credit means you can't afford it at the time of purchase. to use credit means exactly that.. you're intelligently and responsibly taking advantage of 'free' money, which is backed up by your own personal savings and income.
                                I've done this with several items. What's not awesome about paying cash over time? My last car was at 0% for 60 months. I love free monies!
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