Calling all Vapers.

[Kev]

And im using rba's mostly. Cartos leak a lot into mouf

[ReallyDirtyThirty]

We just got these in at work today. Half of the office is now "vaping" this morning, haha. I think they're being test marketed in Indiana right now. Not as sophisticated as any of the set-ups you guys are running, but they're available in most gas stations.

[Vtec?lol]

anyone ever heard of the G-pen?

Basically I'd like to get one just for some mentholated juice. I miss my newport days but I can't touch a cigarette. ugh. Can't believe I did.

[psigti]

Out off all those juices only a couple are good.
Electoplasm, Unicorns blood. By Fuzion
Bubble gum, thug juice, jungle juice. By mtb(after 2 weeks of steeping)
The rest are good in the beginning then taste like pop.

Ecto and unicorn blood are two of my faves. I have the same problem. Some people call it vapor tongue. Flavors start out great then they just fall flat. I brush my teeth a lot. Scrape your tounge when the flavors mute. That works for me.

We just got these in at work today. Half of the office is now "vaping" this morning, haha. I think they're being test marketed in Indiana right now. Not as sophisticated as any of the set-ups you guys are running, but they're available in most gas stations.

so many years ago I started with a blue. Cig a like, like that. At the time I hated it, tried a friends blue a few days ago, seems they have come a long way.

anyone ever heard of the G-pen?

Basically I'd like to get one just for some mentholated juice. I miss my newport days but I can't touch a cigarette. ugh. Can't believe I did.

A g-pen is for butane hash oil.

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[LowR3V'in]

I like njoy cigs allot because you can chew on the filter but they only
last acouple hours vs get a bottle of juice that lasts weeks for the same price.

[mbonanni]

Just smoked from Starbuzz's ehose today at a local smoke shop. It was amazing.

I love smoking hookah, but portable would be great. Going to start looking into these.

I love huge clouds of smoke, no nicotine, maybe very little.

Anyone have pics/vids of them vaping, and potentially how much smoke can be created with these little guys? I watched the video posted earlier itt, and that bloed me away. That's what I get from my hookah.

[psigti]

Just smoked from Starbuzz's ehose today at a local smoke shop. It was amazing.

I love smoking hookah, but portable would be great. Going to start looking into these.

I love huge clouds of smoke, no nicotine, maybe very little.

Anyone have pics/vids of them vaping, and potentially how much smoke can be created with these little guys? I watched the video posted earlier itt, and that bloed me away. That's what I get from my hookah.

Its one hundred percent not like a hooka...

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[mbonanni]

I didn't ever say it was like hookah... I can see where you got that from though.

I was saying I want to smoke, but a hookah pipe is not portable. I want a vape that can provide clouds like my hookah.

Just to clear the confusion up.

[mbonanni]

Did some research.

I will definitely be going with a k100, some better batteries, and then probably the Igo-l and run one or two coils with larger breathing holes for some thick clouds.

I'm excited as my roomate doesn't like my hookah and ill vape instead.

My local shop seems pretty chill and is down to hook it up for new customers, so ill be making a few runs there.

If you guys have any tips, or suggestions on what I should buy let me know. I am probably ordering tonight.

[LowR3V'in]

Doesn't that chewing tobacco you smoke have nicotine in it though?

[Dirty325ix]

Hahaha I love the g pen I use it to smoke my weed consentraits but the mini g pen is half the price and same thing
I also like the atmos and rem pen

[e30vert]

Did some research.

I will definitely be going with a k100, some better batteries, and then probably the Igo-l and run one or two coils with larger breathing holes for some thick clouds.

I'm excited as my roomate doesn't like my hookah and ill vape instead.

My local shop seems pretty chill and is down to hook it up for new customers, so ill be making a few runs there.

If you guys have any tips, or suggestions on what I should buy let me know. I am probably ordering tonight.

Just picked up the K100 mod a few days ago. 2 18650 batteries that are special in that they can handle large pulsed discharge of current. This turns out to be essential if one wants to develop any real vapor clouds.

I also wrapped up 2 coils for the RBA that are comprised of Ecowool for the wick and ribbon wire fir the could. I think the gauge of ribbon wire was 32 gauge.
With this setup it is important to burn the Eco wool wick before using to vape so that any of the products used to manufacture it are burned off. The coils were bit sub ohm and measured out at about .07 ohms. Tweaked the coils for good even heating and consistent glowing if each winding of the coil.

Burned off the coating at the vape shop ,but then was told to boil the Eco wool extra wick I purchased for 5 min and then it dry.

Then just a basic long drip tip. The longer the drip tip the less heat that moves towards ones. Mouth so that one can vape longer without having to let the tip cool. Or getting a super warm vape hit.

I"ll post up more as I pickup more vape gear and provide observations.

[psigti]

High discharge battries are not essential for huge clouds... they are essential for sub ohm vaping so you don't blow your face off... its the blend of liquid, air flow, and coil set up that produces the vapor.

Blowing a giant fucking cloud of vapor that taste the burnt rotten asshole isn't going to make you happy. If you are new I would advise you stick to low ohm 1.5/1.2/1.0 ohm and get your flavor right before doing sub ohm coils.

I cannot stress this enough... the potential for disaster is very high if you don't have a decent understanding of battery design, ohms and juice... which you obviously don't.

I'm not trying to be a dick... we were all new once. I just hear and read about a lot of people talking about stuff they don't really know about and that can be potentially fatal. I don't want to see anyone get hurt.

Plus I want to continue vaping freely. If these weed retards dont fuck it up... the people exploding batteries in their faces will...

Pm me and ill answer any questions you have... if I don't know the answer I know people thag do..

Safe vaping.

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[psigti]

This is amazing info for anyone who wants to vape. Its from another place I hang out at.

"Recent concerns have popped up and, since this forum is dedicated mostly to the use of mechanical devices and rebuildable atomizers (RBAs), I've decided to write a bit of a primer or what I like to call Chikenbok's guide to Not Blowing Yourself the Fuck Up (NBYFU from here on out). I hope that no one takes this personally, but I think people need to learn what is happening inside of our Vape sticks before we use them.

So you've made the step from a regulated device to a mechanical mod. What exactly does this mean, you ask, my dear friend? Well - there's nothing to save your pretty little face anymore, that's what it means. In a regulated device you set a voltage and an internal chip makes sure your battery delivers that voltage throughout the cycle of its use. Most of these devices also include things like protection against discharged batteries (more on that later) and reverse polarity (more on that later) but most importantly, they will not fire if there is A. a short, or B. you are attempting to draw more Amperage than the device feels the battery is capable of delivering (Provari for example, will only let you draw 3.5amps (Thanks CW)).

Well, your mechanical? Its just a battery in a tube. It will provide you with whatever voltage the battery within it has, minus the internal resistance of the mechanical device itself directly onto your atomizer. "Awesome Chikenbok! So I can like Vape .3ohms on my stacked 18350's right" - remember, we're trying NOT to blow our faces off here so sit back and get comfortable.

Voltage: The difference in electronic potential energy between two given points (in a mechanical - that means the battery and the atomizer)
Wattage: The rate at which energy is being transferred over a given electrical circuit (Thus, we have Wattage LOAD on a battery - energy is being forced out of a cell and into an RBA)
Amperage: Think of this as the "how much energy" is being transferred through a circuit at any given time
Resistance: A ratio between voltage and wattage; a unit of measurement that regulates (slows down/hinders) the way in which energy will flow through a circuit.

So - we've got the names out of the way, but what does all this bullshit mean? So you set up your Provari at 4.5 volts and smack a 1ohm atomizer on it. E1 Error… Well, that's because you're trying to pull almost 20 watts out of your 4.2 volt battery and the device is trying to save you from BYFU - its doing you a favor. Now, your mechanical will fire that just fine, hell, it'll even tape it quite well, except that you're not setting your voltage. On a freshly charged IMR battery off the charger you're drawing approximately 17 watts out of your battery. Take a second and tell me if that sounds safe?

Thought about it? Well, of course its perfectly safe assuming you've checked for shorts and made sure you're using the proper batteries.

There is a lot of debate about what batteries are the best for vaping and, for the sake of this we're going to be sticking to 18500 and 18650 cells. (18 is the diameter of the battery and the 50 is around 50mm long the 650 around 65mm long, etc. etc. etc)

Now here is the data sheet of an AW branded IMR battery -

•Nominal Voltage : 3.7V
•Capacity : 2000mAH
•Lowest Discharge Voltage : 2.50V
•Standard Charge : CC/CV ( max. charging rate 2A )
•Cycle Life : > 500 cycles
•Max. continuous discharge rate : 10A
•Operating Discharge Temperature : -10 - 60 Degree Celsius

If you look at that second to last factor, Maximum continuous discharge rate you'll begin to get an idea where I'm going with this whole rant. Now, that number isn't telling you what the MAXIMUM discharge rate is but rather, what the battery will stabilize towards under load. Currently it is not recommended to take any battery over 35 watts of power. "BUT HOW DO I KNOW MAN?!" Well you can either go back to high school physics, or go here: http://www.rapidtables.com/calc/electri ... ulator.htm

That is a very handy table you might want to use next time you think about your quad coil .3ohm dripper running on a half dead 18350.

So what can you do to prevent being the asshole who burns his fucking face off and makes this shit look real bad for all of us? Well, all of the following should be mandatory if you're building your own coils on mechanical mods:

1 x Multimeter
1 x Ohm's Checker or Resistance Box (I suggest that people get these ALONG with multimeters as multimeters will generally account for resistance in posts themselves)
1 x Good Batteries!! I cannot stress this enough. The batteries we use are designed to vent when under duress, if you overrun your battery, it will not blow up if it is properly vented (that is why you see silly holes on all of your devices - its to protect your mod from turning into a steam powered pipe bomb)
As a brief aside, if your battery at any point becomes very hot, stops producing vapor or begins to smell odd. THROW IT OUTSIDE. Give it time, it will *proabably* be safe to handle, but please, by all means, throw it out. If you discharge below 3.7volts without load you can also damage the cells of the battery.
Currently the candidates for top rated batteries are AW IMRs, Panasonic 18650 series (Unprotected Safe Chemistry), Orbtronics, and Efests. DO NOT USE POOR QUALITY BATTERIES BECAUSE THEY ARE CHEAP.
Infinity x knowledge and experience. -- Off the top of your head can you tell me how much resistance your RBA will produce using 28g Kanthal over 6mm of Silica throughout a 3/4 wrap? Right - experiment and try, see what resistances go where, and DO NOT GO LOW UNTIL YOU'VE MADE SURE YOUR BATTERY CAN HANDLE THE OUTPUT.

Stacking batteries causes within your device will cause output voltage to double.
Therefore, two 3.7 v batteries will cause output voltage to go to 7.4 V, two 4.2V batteries comes out to 8.4V.
Risk: mismatched pairs can cause a spontaneous discharge of one battery (e.g. one literally starts charging the other at a very rapid rate that can lead to catastrophic failure). If you do plan on stacking your batteries always charge as a pair and use as a pair to ensure approximately the same place in the recharge lifecycle for both.

Dual / Triple / Quad cois divide the total resistance by the number of coils. So two 1 ohm coil will actually have voltage at the 510 to be .5 ohms.
Only true for 2 equal resistors in parallel (e.g. 2x 1.5Ω -> 0.75Ω). The formula for multiple parallel resistors is 1/Rtotal=1/R1+1/R2...1/Rn -- In this equation you are solving for R total where each R is the value of each coil's resistance.

Sometimes on battery specifications (Like the one listed above for an AW IMR 18500) instead of amps for max continuos discharge, they use a C rating. C rating is manufacturers calculated value for safe discharge rates. C value = (I*1000)/batt mAh [I=current]. The trick is to not let Cv > Cr
To determine amp load of a c rating. use this equation Amp = C Rating * (mAH * .001)

So please, everyone out there building RBAs, RDAs, whatever you want to Vape on - PLEASE BE CAREFUFL. Just because you see some of us running around building Sub-Ohm Drippers (below 1.0ohms of resistance) does not mean you need to be. You can blame the Filipinos for that. Start high, and work your way down, carefully, making sure to understand what you're doing to your battery every step of the way. And always remember, no matter how fancy that mech in your hands is and how much you paid for it its still just a metal tube that completes an unregulated circuit.



Comrade Chiken"


Psi.


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[mbonanni]

I ordered the igo-L and will probably just run a low ohm single coil with more air flow.

I will be getting AW IMR batts eith a discharge of 10A so they can handle sub ohm if I pleased to do so.

I honestly don't care much about flavor when I have huge clouds, I smoke hookah for the clouds and not taste. If I can get decent taste and clouds then that is just a plus. Either way I will just take a longer hit instead dealing with dual coil and sub ohm stuff.

I should get my set up next week. I'm super excited.