THE Ferrari Thread

[Exodus_2pt0]

it should be able to push 500 to the wheels at 9000 RPM.

That works too.

[flyboyx]

First time I've seen this thread and boy am I glad it's here as Ferrarichat is just a bunch of Beverley Hills rich kids with 458's and 360's that have a thing for black exhaust tips and yellow brake calipers. Yes, I have one in the family, 1964 330GT 2+2 Mk1 and yes, that all matters! Any Ferrari with 2+2 in it means it's essentially worth about 20% of what people expect it to be worth. However, the Mk1 was only built in '64 and is easily distinguishable because of it's quad headlights, (yes, like and E30!), only 124 Mk1 cars were built. We've had it since 1984 when my grandpa paid $12,500 for it in San Francisco and daily drove it for 3 months. It has a whopping 84k on it but hasn't seen the light of the day for the better part of 8 years unfortunately but that's about to change as I have recently said fuck it, I want it back on the road and I'll do whatever I can to make it happen as I have not seen the car or heard it run since 2007 and it makes me sad af.

thank you for sharing this with us. post up a pic of that v12 when you have time. it is indeed unfortunate that this particular model(especially the 4 headlight version) is considered the "ugly duckling" of the 60's era. i have seen several 2 headlight versions of this car on the market for around 300k. i know that isn't the 3 million+ that a 275 gtb will fetch, but its a good chunk of change. many 330 gt's were donor chassis for testarossa and gto tributes. as a result, there aren't very many left. there is in fact a gto replica on ebay right now from such beginnings. those borani wheels on your family car are so awesome.

I'd rather drive it than let my as yet unconceived children inherit an unfinished project :p

What I *would* like to do, while we're indulging in fantasy, is mate up a 355 transaxle (which looks just like the 348 transaxle) to a 360 engine. I'd build the 360 engine with a big bore kit to punch it out to 4.0. With a bit more cam (the factory cams are actually mild for an 8500 RPM engine, which shows how awesome the ports are) and bigger headers (the factory 360 headers are undersized for a 400 HP engine), it should be able to push 500 to the wheels at 9000 RPM.

i think the best deal in ferrari engines out there right now would be to buy one from early/mid 2000's maserati cambiocorsa. this is exactly the same engine and same horsepower that came in the ferrari 430. it also comes with dry sump lubrications system. the only difference is the intake manifold and the valve covers. you get 400 hp and a timing chain instead of a belt. the significance of this is that you don't have to remove the engine from the car every 5 years to do a belt service. this is a task that a ferrari dealer will charge around 25,000 dollars to accomplish. good complete engines can be had for less than 5k.

the maserati quadroporte had this engine too but it was not set up for dry sump lubrication.

[2mAn]

i think the best deal in ferrari engines out there right now would be to buy one from early/mid 2000's maserati cambiocorsa. this is exactly the same engine and same horsepower that came in the ferrari 430. it also comes with dry sump lubrications system. the only difference is the intake manifold and the valve covers. you get 400 hp and a timing chain instead of a belt. the significance of this is that you don't have to remove the engine from the car every 5 years to do a belt service. this is a task that a ferrari dealer will charge around 25,000 dollars to accomplish. good complete engines can be had for less than 5k.

the maserati quadroporte had this engine too but it was not set up for dry sump lubrication.

Ive actually thought about this as well. With so many d-bags in these maseratis you could find a wrecked one with a low mileage motor out there and BOOM. suck on that LS swaps

[flyboyx]

suck on that LS swaps

take that bitches!!!;)

[CarsonE30]

thank you for sharing this with us. post up a pic of that v12 when you have time. it is indeed unfortunate that this particular model(especially the 4 headlight version) is considered the "ugly duckling" of the 60's era. i have seen several 2 headlight versions of this car on the market for around 300k. i know that isn't the 3 million+ that a 275 gtb will fetch, but its a good chunk of change. many 330 gt's were donor chassis for testarossa and gto tributes. as a result, there aren't very many left. there is in fact a gto replica on ebay right now from such beginnings. those borani wheels on your family car are so awesome.

No problem, happy to share! As soon as I can get into that garage, there will be many pics and updates, I'll probably start a thread for it too. And yeah, I work for RM Auctions at all their US shows so I'm constantly up on the market values for these. Gooding had one last year that got above 300k, the GTC's fetch between 700 and 1.1 now which is baffling to me, I don't care that these are a lot less desirable, 60s Ferrari's don't depreciate and everything has it's time, just gotta be patient!

[The Dark Side of Will]

i think the best deal in ferrari engines out there right now would be to buy one from early/mid 2000's maserati cambiocorsa. this is exactly the same engine and same horsepower that came in the ferrari 430. it also comes with dry sump lubrications system. the only difference is the intake manifold and the valve covers. you get 400 hp and a timing chain instead of a belt. the significance of this is that you don't have to remove the engine from the car every 5 years to do a belt service. this is a task that a ferrari dealer will charge around 25,000 dollars to accomplish. good complete engines can be had for less than 5k.

the maserati quadroporte had this engine too but it was not set up for dry sump lubrication.

I agree that certain applications of the new FM engines are WAY cheaper/easier to obtain and work with than the old Dino engines, *BUT*...

The 308 was originally built with a transverse powertrain, with the engine stacked on top of the gearbox. The 328, 348 and 355 used essentially the same frame and have similar wheelbases.

In order to fit a longitudinal engine, the transaxle layout needs to be weird, as seen in the photo of the 348 gearbox above. The axle is right behind the engine and the big dome on the back is the clutch housing. The 355 is similar, but has a deeper right side cover (not visible in the photo) to make space for 6th gear.

Ferrari went to a conventional transaxle layout for the 360, increasing the wheelbase by 10 inches relative to the 308.

The FM engines won't bolt up to the 355 gearbox, so using them becomes harder than using a member of the Dino engine family. Not that hooking a 355 gearbox up to anything that didn't come with it is easy...

Ferrari likes tiny rod journals for some reason. I've heard that the Ferrari versions of the FM engine are much harder on their rod bearings than the Maserati engines.

[CarsonE30]

Alright guys so with Monterey car week fast approaching, it's nearing the time to get into the garage and really dig into this 330. Hopefully, if everything goes right, we'll be working on the car by this time next month and keep in mind, the car hasn't driven in 6ish years. I finally stopped lurking over at Ferrari Chat and made an account so I'm hoping they're as accommodating as r3v has been, really just using that for general info and hopefully any parts that we'll need. Since I haven't ever worked on the car, we're going to get it over to the same people who first did the restoration and tell us what we need to get and in what order ASAP. We would really want to have this car out in August and if not, well we have the drive to have it on the road at least by the end of the year. I'll be making tons of phone calls in the coming weeks and months and I'll start a build thread in here once things get rolling because r3v loves everything. If anyone has any connections to pre-1965 Ferrari parts, PM me! Shit's gon be phun!

[The Dark Side of Will]

Check out www.ferrarilife.com also

[CarsonE30]

Check out www.ferrarilife.com also

Will do, I'll head over there now!

[CarsonE30]

Here's a pic from 4 months ago when we pushed it out of the garage. That gold Mercedes way back in the corner across the street was my first car

[flyboyx]

Borani'is make gooey stuff dribble out the end of my peepee.

[Pantless Spency]

Here's a pic from 4 months ago when we pushed it out of the garage. That gold Mercedes way back in the corner across the street was my first car

carson did we have the same first car?

my first car was a w123, 1977 240d.

[CarsonE30]

carson did we have the same first car?

my first car was a w123, 1977 240d.

Awe shit! Na, mine was a W116 '79 300SD, love that thing so much!

[BlackbirdM3]

First time I've seen this thread and boy am I glad it's here as Ferrarichat is just a bunch of Beverley Hills rich kids with 458's and 360's that have a thing for black exhaust tips and yellow brake calipers. Yes, I have one in the family, 1964 330GT 2+2 Mk1 and yes, that all matters! Any Ferrari with 2+2 in it means it's essentially worth about 20% of what people expect it to be worth. However, the Mk1 was only built in '64 and is easily distinguishable because of it's quad headlights, (yes, like and E30!), only 124 Mk1 cars were built. We've had it since 1984 when my grandpa paid $12,500 for it in San Francisco and daily drove it for 3 months. It has a whopping 84k on it but hasn't seen the light of the day for the better part of 8 years unfortunately but that's about to change as I have recently said fuck it, I want it back on the road and I'll do whatever I can to make it happen as I have not seen the car or heard it run since 2007 and it makes me sad af.

So much win here. How was it parked? Full of coolant and oil, or was it correctly pickled? If correctly preserved, I don't think it will be that big of a deal to get it running and back on the road. After working with Alfa Romeo's of that time period (a '59 Sprint, 65 101 Spyder 1600 and a '69 US Spec 1750 GTV) I've found that some of the rubber stuff can go bad, other stuff will be fantastic. My GTV had issues with brake master cylinders all the time. I drove it home from Scotts Valley over highway 17 and back to Napa with no brakes. No external leaks, no nothing. No pressure at the pedal unless I pumped it like mad for 50 pumps. That said, when I pulled the brake system apart on my '59 Sprint, aside from the rubber lines being bad, everything else was in good shape. There was still clean brake fluid in the master cylinder, and the master appeared to work fine.

Why do I bring this up? because odds are, some of the same parts were used on both the Alfa's and the Ferrari's of the same period. Do you have Bosch, Lucas or Marelli electrical? If something doesn't work, it might just need the contacts cleaned. My guess is that they also didn't use connectors on the ends of the wires. They might need to be stripped and attached if the ends of the wires broke. My Sprint has very few connectors on the wires, the spyder is a little of both, and by '69 most of the wires were terminated with connectors.

I can't see bringing this car back as being a big job. I think it should be pretty simple and straightforward as long as there is no damage internally to the engine.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Will

[CarsonE30]

So much win here. How was it parked? Full of coolant and oil, or was it correctly pickled? If correctly preserved, I don't think it will be that big of a deal to get it running and back on the road. After working with Alfa Romeo's of that time period (a '59 Sprint, 65 101 Spyder 1600 and a '69 US Spec 1750 GTV) I've found that some of the rubber stuff can go bad, other stuff will be fantastic. My GTV had issues with brake master cylinders all the time. I drove it home from Scotts Valley over highway 17 and back to Napa with no brakes. No external leaks, no nothing. No pressure at the pedal unless I pumped it like mad for 50 pumps. That said, when I pulled the brake system apart on my '59 Sprint, aside from the rubber lines being bad, everything else was in good shape. There was still clean brake fluid in the master cylinder, and the master appeared to work fine.

Why do I bring this up? because odds are, some of the same parts were used on both the Alfa's and the Ferrari's of the same period. Do you have Bosch, Lucas or Marelli electrical? If something doesn't work, it might just need the contacts cleaned. My guess is that they also didn't use connectors on the ends of the wires. They might need to be stripped and attached if the ends of the wires broke. My Sprint has very few connectors on the wires, the spyder is a little of both, and by '69 most of the wires were terminated with connectors.

I can't see bringing this car back as being a big job. I think it should be pretty simple and straightforward as long as there is no damage internally to the engine.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Will

Updates are right above here but I am looking for a clutch master cylinder and met a few people today who are connected! I will be looking for 1 or 2 people to come over and help out on a couple days, will keep it updated! As for electrical stuff, I'm not 100% sure but I can find out in the coming days. As I read up more and get a bit more comfortable around the car and realize that it isn't an "expensive" example or model, in relation to others of the same era, it seems just like a basic 60's built car and I'm not too intimidated by it. I'll get a thread for it too when the time feels right, I'll let you know directly when I find out about the electrical system and if I have any basic-ish questions about anything. Thanks Will, we gotta meet up someday so I can drool over any one of your cars!