Alice In Chains

[CleanAzzE30z]

a case of very good marketing.

Mariano

[Bandit325]

THANK YOU!!!! NIRVANA, ALONG WITH KISS ARE THE MOST OVERRATED BAND EVAAAAAARRR!!! There is NOTHING extraordinary about Nirvana, IMO.

Mariano

KISS is by far the most overrated band in the history of music!!!!!! IMO

[LINUS]

I don't doubt that sort of thing at all. If either Kurt or Courtney weren't white I'm sure we would be dealing with that in the mix too.

[CleanAzzE30z]

I grew around LAPD in Hollywood (next district over from Rampart, bascially) so please understand the absolute distrust of law enforcement. Lets also not forget the bullshit "investigations" on Biggie and 2 Pac. I disliked both rappers, but the fact that such high profile murders remain unsolved with all the shady shit in those investigations makes me sick. then the dirty pigs on the force that were supposedly involved in covering it up end up dead just makes it worse.

Mariano

[LINUS]

Cuz they are very reliable.

Mariano

Now that's a totally separate issue for a new thread. But I know what you are getting at. I hear you loud & clear.

[LINUS]

Ever seen the documentary "Kurt & Courtney"? Shit, even her own father thinks she killed him.

Never saw it either, but during one of the "kurt is god" hours on CFOX, they went through the timeline and circumstances involving his death - from thier slant on things there seemed a lot of question marks. But like I said - Cops say he did it, then he did it.
But it's sad if her own dad thinks she could have done it.

[CleanAzzE30z]

For the record though, If cops say Kurt made Cobain meatloaf all over the wall on his own, then so be it.

Cuz they are very reliable.

Mariano

[LINUS]

"and if Courtney didn't stick a shotgun in your mouth and stage your suicide you would be a small note in grunge history"

somebody email oliver stone with a link to this thread. i smell a blockbuster conspiracy theory movie

Yeah, I wrote that - but mostly for shock value. I couldn't resist due to the fact that there seems so much mystery surrounding the whole thing.
I think Curt was in a mental state due to hard drugs that led him to do it himself.
However, if there was substantial evidence to prove Courtney did it I could see that as a possibility. She never disproves she's a crazy f-ing b*tch.

For the record though, If cops say Kurt made Cobain meatloaf all over the wall on his own, then so be it.

[CleanAzzE30z]

I love this shit.

Mariano

[blunttech]

Ever seen the documentary "Kurt & Courtney"? Shit, even her own father thinks she killed him.

naw, i havent seen it but ive been around long enough to know any event worth mentioning is going to have some kook questioning how it happened and what "really" happened.

[Jand3rson]

"and if Courtney didn't stick a shotgun in your mouth and stage your suicide you would be a small note in grunge history"

somebody email oliver stone with a link to this thread. i smell a blockbuster conspiracy theory movie

Ever seen the documentary "Kurt & Courtney"? Shit, even her own father thinks she killed him.

[BimmerToad]

THANK YOU!!!! NIRVANA, ALONG WITH KISS ARE THE MOST OVERRATED BAND EVAAAAAARRR!!! There is NOTHING extraordinary about Nirvana, IMO.

Mariano

^100

[blunttech]

"and if Courtney didn't stick a shotgun in your mouth and stage your suicide you would be a small note in grunge history"

somebody email oliver stone with a link to this thread. i smell a blockbuster conspiracy theory movie

[LINUS]

To your point Josh about Nirvana being important, I agree completely that they were a solid musical footnote, and that the timing was perfect for the "Nevermind" album to really catapult the band into mainstream radio play.

I would be a lair to call them unimportant, heck, I brought them up myself here. I'll even give them credit for having some musical talent. I said before that I liked "Bleach", and there were a few on "Nevermind" I liked too, 'Lithium' stands out, and I'm sure there was probably a few others too.

However, like you said, Nevermind became the lightning rod for grunge, and despite being good, I think Soundgarden and Alice really had more backbone and punch to their music. I'm no expert, but I don't include Helmet because they were more metal (awesome tight metal) to me than grunge. Same for Tool & Ministry. Nevermind just became some posterchild for the grunge movement.

My gripe is that if Kurt was still alive, I believe we wouldn't be talking nearly so much about him anymore. Pearl Jam is still around - when was the last time you really had any conversation about them? I think Alice, Pearl and Soundgarden would have a bigger musical footnote in history without the death of Kurt - that's my main point.

Despite how it occured, I'm glad we now have the Foo Fighters - I am not glad Kurt died, but would Dave really have formed the Foo without Kurts' death?

And I love 99.3 CFOX, but they treat Kurt like a god that we should all have a moment of silence for whenever they say his name. Otherwise my fav radio station.

I agree with you Josh about grunge in general giving a kickstart to the music industry - Metallica was played out, and if I ever hear those fricken' Criss Cross kids again I'll go on a rampage.

[parkerbink]

Point:

Nirvana wasn't the most overrated band ever, not to a bunch of kids my age who were growing up listening to a bunch of soul-less leftover new-wave garbage from the 80's (don't get me wrong, I LOVE 80's music). Nirvana came along at a pivotal time in this generation's life, when we had first entered that akward phase of adolescence and we were searching for something that amplified and expressed what we felt. There may have been a grip of other bands that served this purpose for our generation, but "Nevermind" came at the perfect time and reinvented rock. You can say that Nirvana wasn't a great band, that Kurt Cobain wasn't talented, and shit, you might even be right. But that wasn't the point. The point was that Nirvana and the rest of grunge deliverd a 10,000 volt kickstart to a music scene that was stagnant, boring, and had no substance whatsoever. And yes, to all of you guys a couple of years older than me, I know that alternative and grunge were around a few years before Nirvana, being played on college radio and struggling to break through to the mainstream, but Nirvana was that band that finally tore through. Bands like Tad, Mudhoney, Girls Against Boys and countless others laid the foundation, and Nirvana merely built upon it. "Smells like teen spirit" hit at exactly the right time, and just happened to be the song that did it. So you can say that they are the most overrated band ever, and in your opinion, which you're more than entitled to, you may be right. There may not have been anything extraordinary about them, nothing terribly special about them, nothing that set them apart from all the other alternative and grunge bands falling like Seattle rain out of the Pacific Northwest. But you CAN NOT deny that they were one of the most IMPORTANT bands ever, if for no other reason than for what they were, and what they did.

Counterpoint:

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