Gun Guys, Assault Wepons Ban is back

**Hawk** · 02-16-2007, 09:09 AM

You mean if I load a pistol and lay it on the floor it wont jump up and shoot me? No way lol.

**Massive Lee** · 02-16-2007, 09:31 AM

Hi Hawk.

I am certainly not on a battle against any idioma. I am only expressing my point of view that assault rifle may not be necessary i a civilian world unless a guy is a weapon collector and has its weapons locked up being glass or in a safe. Wether I live in Australia, Canada or USA should not be an excuse used to keep me from expressing this point of view.

**dlmpsy** · 02-16-2007, 10:00 AM

The history of our country began with people fleeing the injustices of europe with the dream of individual freedom and the opportunity to provide a better standard of living for their families. Guns were necessary to obtain food and for personal protection. Many states required their citizens to be available for use in the local militia should the need arise, and required all land owners to have a firearm. The founding fathers believed in the wisdom and responsibility of the citizens they served.

If you look at the history of europe in the last few hundred years, the wealthy owned the land and owned the guns. Guns were something the average person could not afford, or was not allowed to have. Prior to WWI and WWII there were gun registration and confiscation. Very few people had guns. I imagine if they were more available in WWII the Nazi's would have had some problems when they were rounding up the Jews.

Today I hunt, target shoot and collect various guns to some degree. I have some very fond memories of going hunting with my father, and owning a gun was a rite of passage when you became a man. My parents taught me to be responsible with guns, and everything else in my life. I feel safe with a gun in my home and I know that if someone breaks into my home I at least have the chance of keeping a criminal from robbing, raping or murdering someone I care about.

I own a few "assault rifles" and so far they haven't possessed me and made me want to kill someone. I enjoy the challenge of shooting at a small target at a long distance, and I enjoy the time I spend with my friends while shooting. I also enjoy the history of the military type guns I own, as well as the craftsmanship and even "art" in their design. They remind me of what our veterans sacrificed so that I may enjoy my "freedom". Lastly, I have never heard, or met a politician that I trust enough to surrender any of my freedoms or rights that others have sacrificed and died for....

**ping65810** · 02-16-2007, 12:15 PM

I don't like the Assault weapons ban, however I live with it fine. I am a Democrat, who also is former Army, and likes guns. The way I look at it, I have a class A LTC Concealed, and high cap ANYTHING, which is very difficult to get in Mass. unless you know the police well. If I really needed to shoot at someone, I don't need 30 rounds to do it, etc. Army= one shot one kill, hence why in my opinion the average citizen does not need an assault weapon of any type....its like buying and f450 truck to tow a 400lbs jet ski, when an e30 would do fine, overkill.

**Jordan325iC** · 02-16-2007, 12:43 PM

I'm a democrat. I support the second ammendment. You guys can keep your assult weapons.

**Nick** · 02-16-2007, 12:55 PM

....its like buying and f450 truck to tow a 400lbs jet ski, when an e30 would do fine, overkill.

By that logic, why buy a BMW, when a Chevy Aveo will do?

Why have a car that can do 100+, when a car that can go 80 will already break every speed limit on the books?

**german g** · 02-16-2007, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by Nick

By that logic, why buy a BMW, when a Chevy Aveo will do?

Why have a car that can do 100+, when a car that can go 80 will already break every speed limit on the books?

look, some of you people need to get off the anti-liberal/democrap shit, as you can see, alot of democrats support the same things that you do, I'm sure you(conservative) do not agree with everything that the republicans support.

And to the quoted post

read my earlier post, apples and oranges.
I'm outta this shitty match of cornhole...peace out and the right to bear arms is a must.

**dirty30** · 02-16-2007, 01:21 PM

I've considered purchasing a gun to protect myself against other fucktards with guns.

**joshh** · 02-16-2007, 08:25 PM

People forget that civilians owning guns was so the Government doesn't take total control. Yet that is exactly what is going on.

**mrsleeve** · 02-16-2007, 08:51 PM

On that note the general population will give up right after right for a presumed sense of security. Fools

**Borat** · 02-18-2007, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by Hawk

Guns have made America free in the first place an armed society is a safe one.

wow, just wow.

**Kilomph** · 02-18-2007, 07:03 AM

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."

Thomas Jefferson.

I'd love to 7.62 that waffleswaffleswaffleswaffles in the FACE.

**LINUS** · 02-18-2007, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by Borat

wow, just wow.

OK, don't you look smart now? - How about you roll back to pg. 3 where I asked you a direct question instead of providing attacks without any rebuttal?

You want to know a good reason not to commit crime in NZ? Because you are a island country with no place to run once pulling a job. Duh. I bet if we took a look, we would see less major crime in Hawaii too, for the exact same reason.

Somewhere there's a statistic that the U.S. was like 15% of the world's population, but we consume 2/3 of all illicit drugs produced. For that reason alone the central East side of WA is a support community for drugs to Seattle, and can be a violent place to live if you find yourself in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Additionally, this is a USA based thread letting us AMERICANS know that we may be on the lookout as to the status of this legislative document. It won't effect you, so just bask in the non-violent society you enjoy and look down your nose at us gun owners, or at least participate instead of acting a fool.

If China wanted a source for sheep and kiwi's - they would invade & own your country faster than it takes to clean up New Orleans from Fat Tuesday.

Additionally, some of the best times I've ever had as a kid was out shooting with Dad. Any kid in any country would probably say the same, too bad you had to miss out on that.

Every last gun I own has a purpose, and some of that involves hunting for food - what's wrong with that?

**ivo316** · 02-18-2007, 12:04 PM

As I said before, criminals will own guns ban or no ban, so it's better they know there is a gun in every house, that'll make them think twice.

**Borat** · 02-18-2007, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by LINUS

OK, don't you look smart now? - How about you roll back to pg. 3 where I asked you a direct question instead of providing attacks without any rebuttal?

You want to know a good reason not to commit crime in NZ? Because you are a island country with no place to run once pulling a job. Duh. I bet if we took a look, we would see less major crime in Hawaii too, for the exact same reason.

Somewhere there's a statistic that the U.S. was like 15% of the world's population, but we consume 2/3 of all illicit drugs produced. For that reason alone the central East side of WA is a support community for drugs to Seattle, and can be a violent place to live if you find yourself in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Additionally, this is a USA based thread letting us AMERICANS know that we may be on the lookout as to the status of this legislative document. It won't effect you, so just bask in the non-violent society you enjoy and look down your nose at us gun owners, or at least participate instead of acting a fool.

If China wanted a source for sheep and kiwi's - they would invade & own your country faster than it takes to clean up New Orleans from Fat Tuesday.

Additionally, some of the best times I've ever had as a kid was out shooting with Dad. Any kid in any country would probably say the same, too bad you had to miss out on that.

Every last gun I own has a purpose, and some of that involves hunting for food - what's wrong with that?

Thanks for PM, no wild grizzlys over here, just a couple of sheep.
We have plenty of guns over here however they are mostly for hunting. Gun control is pretty strict and special permits are needed for handguns and assult weapons. What I meant by my earlier statement was that despite that we have guns in this country police still don't feel the need to carry, (they are only just trialling a couple of tasers now). I doubt most of the petty crims who kill someone do becuase they can run to mexico.

I have been hunting heaps before, yeah its kinda cool and blowing the shit out of something with an AK would be fucking fun but at the same time I feel much happier knowing people can't pop into town and buy an AK. I can also understand how people would like to collect guns as a hobby and I have no problem with that either. I'd like to think that most gun owners on this site are responsible with their weapons taking every precaution feasable.

If china wanted to invade us theres pretty much nothing we could do even if we were fully armed. Our Air-force doesn't even have a strike wing anymore and I don't really have a problem that. We'll just go crawling to Aus, UK and you guys for help.

However I can't understand (as a non american) your obsession and gun culture.. Its not so much the recreation side of things but the self-protection and patriotic-ness of them. Comments like the one above (2 posts up) I quoted really get me. Is a gun in every home really the answer? The way I see it if a crook knows theres gonna be a gun hes probably gonna get a vest and bring a gun too. Is that really gonna help anything, chances of someone getting shot are getting pretty high. (IMHO)

I also believe that a government should be afraid of its people but again is everyone buying an AK the answer to that?

Lastly, ok so I'm a non- American and this thread is really for you guys. But it is an international (like it or not) forum and your always gonna get people like me sticking their nose in and voicing opinion.

Apologies if thats drivel, I know i want to say just don't know how to say it.