Creation

[hugh jass]

it only gives them another reason to reject the fact that there is something greater than ourselves.

please don't try to pass off YOUR beliefs as fact. a belief or gesture of faith is not a fact.

[LINUS]

please don't try to pass off YOUR beliefs as fact. a belief or gesture of faith is not a fact.

Can we politely ask you to do the same? I mean, really - until you can difinitively prove evolution, aren't you 'facts' basically Darwinian 'beliefs'?

And doesn't Darwin's ideas use circular logic as well?

[hugh jass]

Can we politely ask you to do the same? I mean, really - until you can difinitively prove evolution, aren't you 'facts' basically Darwinian 'beliefs'?

And doesn't Darwin's ideas use circular logic as well?

Circular logic? How so?
On second thought, let's just forget it. My head is starting to hurt and my lunch is over.
Agree to disagree?

[LINUS]

Agree to disagree?

Yes.


I think that might be the best sentence to come from this whole thread.

[Victell]

The end.

Lock it.

[FJ40]

Despite who he is or what he has done, you can't deny the logic. How can you get something from nothing?

Why are some planets spinning out of order?

Why is our planet, with everyone on it, have all of this life, and water while others do not?

Why do some of you believe so persistently that it's all nonsense?

You are hopeless. If you think we are to live on this earth and die, and that is final, I feel sorry for you. You have nothing to look forward to, nothing to put your faith in. I'm sorry that some of you are so hopeless.

Call me crazy.. but this world didn't just "happen".

People like you scare me. So those of us that believe we have a finite time to live and prosper are "hopeless". If I'm lucky I'd say I have 50 years left to live and make a difference. Because of this, I'D LIKE TO DO THE BEST I CAN AND MAKE THE MOST POSITIVE CHANGE I CAN, NOW!

Explain to me how that makes me hopeless, and you, depending on something that you "look forward to" so superb?

Feel sorry all you'd like, I'm just proud to not be delusional.

[RobertK]

People like you scare me. So those of us that believe we have a finite time to live and prosper are "hopeless". If I'm lucky I'd say I have 50 years left to live and make a difference. Because of this, I'D LIKE TO DO THE BEST I CAN AND MAKE THE MOST POSITIVE CHANGE I CAN, NOW!

Explain to me how that makes me hopeless, and you, depending on something that you "look forward to" so superb?

Feel sorry all you'd like, I'm just proud to not be delusional.

I've always found it funny how non believers attack Christians by calling them delusional yet are not knowledgeable enough about any religion to disprove it.

I know this..

When I practice what the Bible teaches me as a Christian.. good things happen to and for me. When I do the opposite it has ALWAYS comes back to me in bad way.

Even if you do not believe in God the Bible is a really good self help book if you consider implementing what it teaches you.

In my own life I've met many successful people and many slack ass under achievers. What I've found is that most of the successful people actively practice their faith whether it be Christianity, Islam, Judiasm, etc and most of the under achievers either claim to believe some BS religion like Wicca or claim their is no God at all.

I also find that those same successful people learn to work through life's challenges using the lessons their faith teaches and that most under achievers spend more of their energy finding something or someone to blame their problems on instead of learning to deal with them. Many of them use the argument "If there was a God then why would he let (insert bad thing here) happen (to me, to people, etc.)"

This does not apply to everyone but does to the vast majority.

I find this to be no coincidence though it explains why Conservatives are very religious and Liberals are always such whiny bitches about it.

[Il Duce]

the cross and the crown... the two items used to control humanity for the past few millenia.


Can you say brainwashing?



That guy is simply a tool.


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is he kidding? he must know that the bible was written eons ago by MAN.

[MarshallM]

Im an athiest and I have faith. I have faith in the human race and that someday we will advance to the point of controlling matter and even time. I have lots of faith and know I can contribute in a small but meaningful way.
The argument that something cant come from nothing goes both ways. Occams razor (a basis of scientific thought) states the simpelist solution is most often correct. You have several options to choose from.
1. God created himself then created the universe.
2. Something created god then he created the universe.
3. The universe created itself.
All three options start from nothing and end at a universe being created. A self creating universe is also the simplest solution making it the most probable.
Also while natural selection (evolution) might not be scientific fact and just theory. So is electron theory (electricity) since we cant measure an electron without effecting it.
I have a question. Other then the bible what evidence is there that god exists?

[Il Duce]

THE BIBLE ISN'T LAW. it was MAN made. it proves NOTHING. NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING.


/rant

you made some nice points marshall, thanks for sharing.

[JasonC]

I'm suprised that no one's came out and said that they worship satan yet. I beleive in God and no i'm not going to take a title of a religion.

[RobertK]

THE BIBLE ISN'T LAW. it was MAN made. it proves NOTHING. NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING.


/rant

you made some nice points marshall, thanks for sharing.

WTF?

Who said anything about the Bible being law? Furthermore, no well educated Christian would argue that the Bible was not made by man. Why do you think books in the Bible are named after the people that wrote them?

the cross and the crown... the two items used to control humanity for the past few millenia.

The misuse of religious right is due to the shortcomings and downfall of man not the downfall of any religion or what it teaches.

Reminds me of this stupid kid in HS that told me the Bible was made up by kings to control the people a long time ago. I asked him how would that be possible considering only >20% of the people were literate during those times. Also take into consideration how the Catholics used to tell people only the priest was to read an interpret the Bible for them.

[Jscotty]

Can you say brainwashing?

Brainwashing is not a bad thing.. especially if someone is a rapist, murderer, theif, pedophile, or molester. I would certainly want people like that to have their brain washed of that garbage.

[Il Duce]

Reminds me of this stupid kid in HS that told me the Bible was made up by kings to control the people a long time ago.

having been raised as a catholic... allow me to say that I am a believer in this also, although I believe that religion has been used to control humanity since before recorded history. it makes too much sense. give people the answers to the big question and they will follow you; even to death. Religious/Holy wars are a plague on humanity.


look at the lifestyles of the people in charge of religion and then look at the people who go to church. WHY THE FUCK DOES THE POPE HAVE A BULLET PROOF CAR AND DIAMONDS AND JEWELS ALL OVER HIS "CROWN" WHEN THERE ARE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE DYING OF STARVATION? what a great standard.


I don't wish to offend anyone with these opinions, but these are my views.

[assoutE12]

Can we politely ask you to do the same? I mean, really - until you can difinitively prove evolution, aren't you 'facts' basically Darwinian 'beliefs'?

And doesn't Darwin's ideas use circular logic as well?

evolution is only called a theory because scientists can't re-create it on a large scale, not because its not proven. Gravity is also a theroy. why don't you go try jumping off a bridge and see if it's real.

why is it that organisms are so different around the world. if they all started in one place wouldn't they all be pretty much the same everywhere?

what about the fact that if you dig a fucking hole and see evolution?

how about the fact that 6,000 years isn't long enough for an organism to become a fosil, ever seen one of those? try looking at a rock sometime.

shit, what about fucking dinosaurs?