conservatives

[equate975]

Hi, I am generally conservative.

[chucko]

Republicans used to be pretty progressive, you might even say... liberal.

It's not that you might say liberal, they WERE liberal, and the dems were the conservative party back in the early to mid part of the last century. Pretty interesting how things got flipped around 180 degrees.

[ping65810]

I dont fit into either category well....I am socially very liberal, but finance wise I am more moderate. However, I hate how the country is divided up with extremes on either end, rather than moderates. That means I end up having to decide whats more important, and vote accordingly. Hence why I vote democrat. I find the social issues to be more important to me, and cant readily vote republican simply for issues such as gun laws, and different fiscal issues.

[CleanAzzE30z]

The United States of America is the best country in the world, and will continue this with the correct leadership (republican obviously).

TTT

I sincerely cant believe you honestly think like this, Trent. But I respect you have your opinions. I just think its bullshit that because there are quite a few ultra-conservatives here that you guys talk so much shit about Kevin and single him out all the time. Accept he has his beliefs as extreme as they may be or as wrong as you think he is. Theres people that think that you are just as wrong. I know, I know, fuck those people right? That attitudes what helped get us here, I think.


Mariano

[CleanAzzE30z]

I dont fit into either category well....I am socially very liberal, but finance wise I am more moderate. However, I hate how the country is divided up with extremes on either end, rather than moderates. That means I end up having to decide whats more important, and vote accordingly. Hence why I vote democrat. I find the social issues to be more important to me, and cant readily vote republican simply for issues such as gun laws, and different fiscal issues.

True story.

[DarkWing6]

Pretty much sums me up. I don't know if I'm a conservative or not, but I agree with what Trent said.

I'm conservative and agree with what trent said. :D

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[CleanAzzE30z]

Which brings me to another point (sorry, but I'm a bit passionate about this stuff). Why is it that only 1/3 to 1/2 of the registered voters actually get off their ass and cast their vote? Do the people of this country really lack that much concern or interest in who is going to be in charge of the most powerful country in the world? Like that get the vote out slogan: "your vote is your voice - be heard." I like to say: "if you didn't vote in the last election, you can't bitch about it now....you waived that right by not getting to the polls."

Jon

FUCK YEAH!!! I dont care if people vote conservative or liberal.... Just fucking vote!!! But bone up on it!! Its a fucking privilege to vote, IMO. Its an insult to the founding fathers and all that everyone has fought for to not give a shit, even if it is a farce. Its people taking this country for granted. Thats bullshit.


Mariano

[Addissimo]

I think, in general, that the world has gone to shit; America included. Too much emphasis on v12 powered e30s, 26" wheels on Hummers, and designer condoms.

I don't think republicans have all the answers. I don't think democrats have all the answers.

I think that the world is fairly unconscious to what is really going on, and what really matters.

Fuck it. Its too depressing to think about.

Fuck the world corps. In the ear...

Fuck the RealID act.

I don't believe that we are nearly as free in this country as we are lead to believe.

I don't love America like the rest of you do. We've strayed too far from our foundations. We're too blind to what is really going on. We're in need of revolution before our government becomes any more fascist than it already is.

I'm sure most of you don't agree with me. But like you, I'm proud of who I am, and what I believe in. I won't check back on this thread, so bash all you want.

-Addis

[CleanAzzE30z]

I think, in general, that the world has gone to shit; America included. Too much emphasis on v12 powered e30s, 26" wheels on Hummers, and designer condoms.

I don't think republicans have all the answers. I don't think democrats have all the answers.

I think that the world is fairly unconscious to what is really going on, and what really matters.

Fuck it. Its too depressing to think about.

Fuck the world corps. In the ear...

Fuck the RealID act.

I don't believe that we are nearly as free in this country as we are lead to believe.

I don't love America like the rest of you do. We've strayed too far from our foundations. We're too blind to what is really going on. We're in need of revolution before our government becomes any more fascist than it already is.

I'm sure most of you don't agree with me. But like you, I'm proud of who I am, and what I believe in. I won't check back on this thread, so bash all you want.

-Addis

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Mariano

[AdironRider]

Being conservative means never having to say your sorry.

[whakiewes]

As an elected official in my local universities College Republicans, Guilford County Young Republicans, Guilford Country Rebublican Party, and the North Carolina Rebublican party, I all to often see the scewed views that people carry and have of the rebublican party. I will address what I read in this thread to the best of my abilities and anyone is welcome to ask questions. Often fence sitters; those who are unsure of what the believe; will tend to be more conservative than liberal. Thus the Rebublican party can sway more voters than the Democrats.

First and foremost, anyone who is an active member of a local Rebublican chapter will quickly know that the Bush supporters are the minority in the party. The current administration has not gone far right, its gotten completely lost. We have the largest government in recorded history, the highest spending in recorded history (second to WWII if you consider inflation), the largest unregulated welfare system in the world, and nearly as many bills signed into law as Clinton had in his 8 years. It speaks nothing for what the Republican party stands for. With that said, the administration has made large steps since September 11th, 2001 when the economy could have just as easily collapsed as it has rebounded. People in the financial field will quickly tell you what closing Wall St. for a week does to the markets. Fortunately Bush made a few good decisions with the economy and now we are in one of the better bull markets that we have seen in some time. In turn employment is up to acceptable/better than average levels, stock market is reaching all time highs, and inflation is settling.

So what I say if someone asked me why I am a Republican if I can't even support our own administration. Doesn't provide much credibility? I ask them if they have driven through their local projects? Have they ever stepped foot in the Public Resources welfare line? What are they paying in taxes now? Do they like Wal-Mart? Have they ever heard of the Estate/Inheritance/Death tax? Who has a better view of their people, local governements or the federal government?

Those are just a few of the questions that will get people thinking. I don't have any of my books with me right now, but you would be suprised at the levels of taxes, welfare, etc.. that were created during Clinton's administration. No matter what tax bracket you are in, you are paying the same or less than when Clinton was in office. I often get asked why did the top 1% (or those making over $600,000/year) of Americans get a tax cut but the people that 'need it most' did not. What they fail to realize is that they are only looking at themselves. The top 1% of Americans were paying I believe 32% of their salary in taxes, which includes Social Security and Medicare. With 0 deductions I pay about 24.5% in taxes. Bush lowered their taxes to 28%. So while someone making $25,000 a year will pay around $5000 in taxes, that pays for half of one person on welfare. Someone with $1mil in income a year pays $280,000 a year in taxes, or for 28 people on welfare. Makes a lot of sense doesn't it? Furthermore the current estate tax is about 30% for under $1mil in assets, but it quickly jumps to about 50% for assets over $1mil. Then, if you exceed one million in earned income (different than income tax) you get slapped with another 20% in taxes. If your family has a net worth of $10 million, when they die you will be responsible for $7 million to the government. Makes even more sense?

The next thing I get hammered with a lot is gun control. A couple of weeks ago I had an agitated liberal Republican (more liberal than moderate, but still was a registered Republican) start going on about Virginia Tech. He went on about aquiring a gun, and how they should be banned, etc... First thing I laid out was that there has not been a successful ban of guns anywhere but Australia (with took nearly a decade before they saw results). In Washington DC when guns were banned, crime increased something like 180%. I can't remember where off the top of my head, but there was another country that tried to ban guns and the leader was shot because none of his guards could protect him. It doesn't work, not in the way people expect. I provided a second argument that acquiring a gun in the United States is way to easy. In North Carolina (my state) we have two ways of getting a hand gun. First is a single purchaser license in which you apply at the store, you wait a 24hr cool down period, then you can purchase one gun...ever. This is very similar to what the fellow at VT did. There is no background check, no terrorism check, not mental stability check, nothing. While they limit you from buying an arsonal, they don't stop VT type massacres. We also have another method which is called the Concealed Weapons Carry Permit, which once recieved allows you to purchase as many handguns as you wish. Why it is good is that provides the most thorough check of any weapons permit in the United States. It went into law in 2000 and you have to apply at the Sheriffs office. They do an extensive background check with the FBI, Secret Service, Interpol, and others. They do an extensive terrorist background check. Furthermore, the bill also required all mentally ill patients to be registered with the state in which a persons mental health is check also before the permit is issued. Isn't that a breech of privacy guaranteed by the constitution? Not really, its completely confidential to everyone except those doing background checks for concealed weapons, thats all. Its not extensive records, just such as severe depression, schitzophrenia, etc... Last but not least, I provided him with the fact that had students and teachers been permitted to carry weapons on campus without guaranteed firing/expulsion someone would have been able to help resolve the situation sooner. If you would like more information on a lot of this, feel free to speak to Mike Adams at www.mikeadams.org . He is a criminology professor at UNCW and a very avid gun toten' redneck with multiple Ph.D's!

Leave it like this; don't be so tied up in what the news media and politicians breath. There are many issues that are so talked about such as abortion, gay marriage, etc.. that have no party lines. They have been created by the media. Look to Ronald Reagan for what the Republican party really stands for. Focus on the fiscal, social, and international policies. Gay marriage is not a social policy, its a personal policy. Social policies are welfare, government assistance, employment, etc... If you vote for someone merely for their view on abortion, gay marriage, race, or sex, then you probably shouldn't be voting. Gay marriage isn't going to collapse our government, but an unresponsible fiscal manager will, not matter what help they have.

Wes

[killa325i]

I'm a conservative.

I'm proud of what I stand for, who I vote for, etc.

Anyone else feel this way?

Do I hate democrats/liberals?? NO... not at all. A lot of times I'm more moderate than conservative. But I will still segment my self this way..

It seems as though it's pretty trendy/cool to be anti-american/conservative/and capitalistic. That bothers me.

I'm starting this thread simply to say that there are "conservatives" umong this collective and we have are not ashamed of what we believe in.

I will argue until I'm blue in the facte for what I believe in. I just don't see the need for argument unless I am calling someone out for their position, which in NO way am I or hopefully anyone else is not doing in this thread.

Conservatives/Republicans I hope you join me in comming together. There may only be 10 of you, but with the current threads/comments being made on this site in a hateful manner I think it is totally reasonable to make the counter argument.

Mods - locking of this thread without CLEAR provocation would be discriminatory (as conservatives are in fact the MINORITY on this site) and therefore these actions should be carefully reviewed prior to implementation. Thanks!

I invite any and all to comment. Hateful remarks on either side will be viewed as just that; hateful. I personally do not side with any of the following remarks that may be made in this thread unless I explicitly say so. Thanks!

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[uofom3]

I sincerely cant believe you honestly think like this, Trent. But I respect you have your opinions. I just think its bullshit that because there are quite a few ultra-conservatives here that you guys talk so much shit about Kevin and single him out all the time. Accept he has his beliefs as extreme as they may be or as wrong as you think he is. Theres people that think that you are just as wrong. I know, I know, fuck those people right? That attitudes what helped get us here, I think.


Mariano

Mariano I don't know if he was making Kevin the target or what, but I will speak to it this way. IMO, one of the things that turns me off about the Dem's is that they tend to be overly vocal about issues and take what seems to me to be extremist/frantic/unrelaxed. I think Kevin is a great guy, but I think some of his points get lost in the whole tyrade that is the democratic ideology. I go to a liberal arts college and I'm used to it. I see 1000 Kevin's everyday and listen to conspiracy theories, bush bashing, down with the government, anti-american, lets move to canada and burn a few flags and bra's people. It's so stupid because it's trendy to be that way in college - then you get out in the "real world" and shit costs money... and taxes and public spending programs don't really sound so awesome anymore. Is this to say that he doesn't have valid points? No, but I really have a hard time listening to it when it gets wrapped up the way it does.

[uofom3]

Furthermore... I'll add this:

It's not that I have a major problem with democrats and their ideologies - I think that they have a LOT of very good ideas. The problem comes in, for me anyway, in a couple of ways:

- How do you plan on funding all of these great programs?
- When is enough, enough on taxes?
etc.

I just don't see a lot of the social spending programs, welfare programs, taxes, ect. doing a shit for any good.

Furthermore... I feel both parties need to focus on these areas:
-Getting our troops out of Iraq STAT
-Closing our borders
-Work on homeland security and NOT deploy forces overseas
-The dollars strength against other currencies
- Reducing engergy costs (GASOLINE! this needs to be addressed PRONTO by the government... this topic could be the end for the US if not addressed.)
- Reform education, and in conjunction with this remove the shit that kids have on TV and get them outside playing with each other and not with their Wii and spongebob.

Finally, and though we cannot really legally do this as a nation, there needs to be some sort of birth control implemented. This is particularly true for women in high risk groups ("minorities", women in the south, ect.). My mother is a teacher at an "alternative" college - effectively a trade school. Most of her female students have a child, out of wed lock and the father is not a major component of the childs life. These peoples lives have effectively been ruined b/c they couldn't keep their legs closed. Now, people are not going to become any less stupid (chances are) but getting them on contraceptives would save the future of both the child and the parent. These kids are missing a father (many of them), are in now financially crippled situations, and thus generational poverty continues. If people could realize that not having kids before, say, 25, is a good idea; I feel many of the problems that exist in society today would go away in the next generation as well as improve the financial/living situation/educational situation of people who are in our generation. In fact, this may be the genisis of half of the affor mentioned problems. Think of it this way:
-mom gets knocked up at 19, maybe more than once
-has 2-3 kids
-can't work/go to school
-gets on welfare or other assistance program and sucks my tax money away from education, infrastructure work, and defense simply because she had to go sit on a dick.
-kids don't have a father figure or money
-they then likely get involved in negative things (gang activity, drugs, ect)
-don't get an education
-and the cycle repeats itself....

If there was a better understanding of this topic and if contraceptives were more readily available to at-risk groups problems would be avoided. Maybe one day the US will stop teaching abstinence in at-risk schools and get smart and simply hand out the BC... ya know??

[Schniddy]

There needs to be a mass extermination of the radical left. Starting with all the major democratic candidates that just voted to not fund our troops.