If there was a draft would you go?

[ldsbeaker]

So you're saying if you don't go when you're country calls, you're lazy and are making excuses...

In other words, you're on one side of the debate. Don't come into this thread and act all high and mighty...it doesn't "all boil down" to one question. It's a hugely complicated, personal matter. It's not "simple".

I'll tell you what it "all boils down to". It all boils down to one thing: This is a personal choice which we are allowed to make. It's one of the things that makes the United States of America a great place to be; personal freedom, within reason. Whatever a person's reason for wanting to go to war, or not wanting to go fight for his country, it's his (or her) reason and that's that.

I disagree. You know my opinion.
You know what else? I think this whole thread is fucked up. I didn't realize until just now. A draft is quite a drastic measure to increase our forces for some MAJOR emergency operation. When your number gets pulled, you do have a choice.
It is a choice, yes. ... and I will guarantee you, if your number/name gets pulled, and you don't go; you'll be labelled as such for the rest of your life.
If you can live with that, fine. Like I said, you'll find your excuse.
Sure, it's a personal choice, but making the wrong choice is decidedly impersonal.

Maybe this is one of those questions that should be asked in those really quiet times when you're not plugged into the internet, working, or whatever.
Search deep. It has nothing to do with politics, money, or being a "pawn".
It's about you, and your values.

p.s. I'm not high and mighty. I'm there. I'm the one doing my damn best to make sure that someone else's son or daughter comes home in one piece.
So piss off; you don't even know the meaning of sacrifice and service.

[JasonC]

Thank you for whoever corrected the thread title.

[ak96ss]

I completely understand you feel you have an obligation to serve your country, much respect. I hope you also understand that you are merely a pawn in a war run by those of governmental status. The ones that would give the same answer I'm giving.

I think YOU are missing the point of the question...would you or would you not serve if you were drafted? You explicitly said, "Nor did I ever state that I support the draft - in fact, I pointed out that it is inappropriate right now." proving that you don't support the draft, but you do support forcefully engaging in the protection of our country, which I completely agree with. However, judging by your arguments you disprove of me not supporting the draft, even though we agree with the same thing.

What you clearly missed, is that every day I support my country. You choose to differentiate the means in which one supports, which shows a clear ignorance. I can only support my country by being a man and fighting in a war...while we're at it lets just whip out our cocks and measure.

I may be a pawn, but at least I'm on the board.

While I may not support the draft at this time, that does not mean that, if it were law, I would ignore it. If conscription were the law, then I would have no choice but to support it until such time as it could be repealed. So, as in the original question, if there were a draft, I would abide by it, and I would expect (and demand) everyone of appropriate age to do the same. I would also expect (and demand) that those who do not support it do what they can to legally have it repealed. Not run and hide. I don't believe that many of the taxes we are subject to are legal, but that doesn't mean I don't pay them - I do what I can to get the law changed while I conform to the letter of the law.

If you could possibly get over your penis envy, we can continue this discussion. At no time have I said that you have to join the military to be a man. But to be a man, you do not shirk your responsibilities, and if there is a draft, that is one of your responsibilities. Your insistence on reducing this to comparisons of your genitals with others speaks volumes.

[Massive Lee]

During WWII, the French resistants who were fighting to save their own country for the German invasion were called "terrorists" by the nazis. The US invaders are also calling "terrorists" those who are trying to protect their country.

General Petain was called a "collaborator" by the non-occupied France. he was with the German invader and was helping arrest Jews and sent them to death camps, along with slave workers to help build German arsenal. The same collaborational pattern is happening in Afghanistan and Irak with two governments put in place by the US office. Ahmed Karzai used to be working at Halliburton a few years ago and serves US interests pretty well. That's not just a coincidence that he currently is the Afghan president. This all shows the "legitimacy" of this war. Just private businesses using US governement resources (money and lives) to reach their private lucrative goals. Not to mention the fuel and natural gaz resources... Blood for oil. Not a good deal for Americans.

Going to war for serving your country. Why not.
Going to war for serving private business interests, certainly not.

[ivo316]

I don't live in the states, here we do get drafted if needed.

Last year we had a showdown with a neighboring country and I was first to volunteer, maybe if the war was in some faraway country I wouldn't go convinced but i would go anyway, i consider it a duty towards my country.

If the war is with a neigboring country, let's just say that if i don't do my best to keep the war out of my country it might get to me anyway, so...

Yep, i'd go, and scared, because brave guys are not fearless, they just check their fear, only psychos are fearless. ;)

[uofom3]

fixed.

hehehehe... I'm bathed in first and second hand fine cigar smoke! Nice drive by!

[uofom3]

Oh, and for what it's worth;

I feel that my talents better serve this country here on our home soil, not out shooting at the bad guys in another country. I'm educated, moderately successful, and have a good mind for business. There's no reason for me to be on the front lines firing a gun at the bad guys. In my opinion, it's similar to the difference between the enlisted and the officers; those with the motivation and the desire to be leaders can do so, those who want to go hang out with their buddies and blow stuff up...well, they get to choose to do that if they so desire.

I'm not going to get into this discussion with anyone as I think most people here would be desertes if they were called on, and there has already been enough whining about elections and other bullshit... but I will add this... do you really think that they are going to send "educated" people into a grunt level position? No. People can bitch and be pussies about the government and our military (which has allowed all of you the right to whine and bitch)... but the military is most certainly efficient. Having you be on the front lines in a massive "wave" of soldiers would not be an efficient allocation of resources. I'm not certain what your skills are or what they would have you do, but your talents and education would not be wasted in most cases.

For the record: I'd go... but I'd be scared shitless. Those are some brave men and women who are over there taking care of business. They deserve everyones respect, appreciation, support, and loyalty.

[Il Duce]

lol

fixed.

[uofom3]

OP- You forgot the "I would never fight an un-justified war for a secretive government run by a president we didn't even elect." option.

lol

[Il Duce]

OP- You forgot the "I would never fight an un-justified war for a secretive government run by a president we didn't even elect." option.

[assoutE12]

In the words of Brother Ali " I ain't ridin for a president who's sending our kids to die when we didn't even elect him".

[AlarmedBread]

I'd be in now if it weren't for a separated shoulder (3years and counting..). I was going to be an aeronautical engineer, e30's are nice, but an m20 is no jet. Bah.

[delatlanta1281]

Shit I forgot about Rob....
I would go.

[Ben Carufel]

Oh, and for what it's worth;

I feel that my talents better serve this country here on our home soil, not out shooting at the bad guys in another country. I'm educated, moderately successful, and have a good mind for business. There's no reason for me to be on the front lines firing a gun at the bad guys. In my opinion, it's similar to the difference between the enlisted and the officers; those with the motivation and the desire to be leaders can do so, those who want to go hang out with their buddies and blow stuff up...well, they get to choose to do that if they so desire.

[Ben Carufel]

Either you would go when your country calls, or you wouldn't.

The rest is just excuses and laziness.

So you're saying if you don't go when you're country calls, you're lazy and are making excuses...

In other words, you're on one side of the debate. Don't come into this thread and act all high and mighty...it doesn't "all boil down" to one question. It's a hugely complicated, personal matter. It's not "simple".

I'll tell you what it "all boils down to". It all boils down to one thing: This is a personal choice which we are allowed to make. It's one of the things that makes the United States of America a great place to be; personal freedom, within reason. Whatever a person's reason for wanting to go to war, or not wanting to go fight for his country, it's his (or her) reason and that's that.