Where were you on 9/11?

[M42Technik]

Yeah, that is interesting. A few years ago we had a major incident where a disgruntled ex-employee came back to reak havoc after being fired. Being that I was one of the closest people to the situation, I was one of the witnesses in the detailed police report. I am sure that if I were to re-tell the story it would be much different.

Good byeeeeeeeeee!

[andyman2487]

I refuse to watch that movie, or whatever the other one was called.

+1. It's fucking absurd that both those movies made it to release.

It was picture day, 9th grade. I casually strolled by a hallway TV that was tuned into CNN, and watched the first tower fall. Went back to class, and watched the second fall. Needless to say, my eyes were opened that day.

[Jand3rson]

I mean, I suppose you could argue that it's no different than making movies about Pearl Harbor or the Holocaust, but to do it SO soon after the fact, it's just pushing the moral envelope a little too much.

[JK_E30]

I refuse to watch that movie, or whatever the other one was called.

It sickens me to think that Hollywood was already capitalizing off of this within 5 years of it happening. I wonder how much of the box office gross from those films was seen by the families?

Not trying to spark a debate here, just throwing my hat in the ring. Whatever the circumstances of the events, the motives, the conspiracies, the truth, it doesn't matter. It's still incredibly unethical.

I agree with you, however, I watched it because my parents had borrowed it from someone.

I 100% agree with what you are saying, the families should have seen the profit coming from it.

However, watching that movie just made it more of an impact. To see all the people who made those last phone calls... sad.

[808BMW]

I woke up and my parents were watching the news.
Hawaii closed its schools that day (I was in 10th grade), and they shut down a lot of businesses too. They made the decision early here, since both towers had already gone down by the time people were waking up.

[Kate525i]

I refuse to watch that movie, or whatever the other one was called.

It sickens me to think that Hollywood was already capitalizing off of this within 5 years of it happening. I wonder how much of the box office gross from those films was seen by the families?

Not trying to spark a debate here, just throwing my hat in the ring. Whatever the circumstances of the events, the motives, the conspiracies, the truth, it doesn't matter. It's still incredibly unethical.

+1 I couldn't agree more... and I'm not attempting to start debate, either... but it would have been alot cooler if they had given a portion of the sales to the families... they prob would have gotten more people to see/buy they movies if they had done that, too.

[Jand3rson]

I just watched that united 93 movie last night.

That is sad, and it pissed me off. It was difficult to watch.

I refuse to watch that movie, or whatever the other one was called.

It sickens me to think that Hollywood was already capitalizing off of this within 5 years of it happening. I wonder how much of the box office gross from those films was seen by the families?

Not trying to spark a debate here, just throwing my hat in the ring. Whatever the circumstances of the events, the motives, the conspiracies, the truth, it doesn't matter. It's still incredibly unethical.

[ivo316]

This is a list of all the terrorists which are wanted in Chile and the reason is under the name, of course, our current govt is left wing and has aided these people in breaking out of jail and leaving the country, even in some cases provided fake passports or even pardons.
We have had terrorism for decades here, the ammenities include biological weapons in the subway, bombs in cars, banks, houses etc. Planes being hijacked, drive by's at schools, kidnappings, etc.
A lot of people in govt. now were terrorists (or harbored and financed them in the past). This is why we needed more than 20 ywears of military govt. to exterminate most of them and to get the country back in shape so it could be ruined once again by "democracy".

I hope the US does not have to cope with more terrorism inside it's borders, the big brother attitude can sometimes be a bit annoying to us (I mean developing countries), but I read here that "you deserved it", nobody deserves to bury his father's or son's shoe, or part of an ear, or even nothing. The problem is that when they are caught, the protectors will show up, (Amnesty international, human rights watch, etc.), how can a person that bombs 100 people be rated as human ???

This topic is very sensitive and will be for a long time, but don't forget, if you do, you might elect BinLaden president, just as we did here.

DE LA EX CÁRCEL PUBLICA DE VALPARAÍSO, 13 DE AGOSTO DE 1987
Nº
NOMBRE
MOTIVO DE DETENCIÓN

1
Buschmann Silva, Sergio
Ley Antiterrorista y Ley de Control de Armas.
2
Espinoza Silva, Gabriel Andrés
Asalto a Bus de Carabineros causando muerte.
3
Moraga Contreras, Marcial
Ley Antiterrorista y Ley de Control de Armas.
4
Muñoz Ugarte, Luis Ricardo
Grupos Armados de Combate y Atentados.

DE LA EX CÁRCEL PUBLICA DE SANTIAGO, 30 DE ENERO DE 1990
Nº
NOMBRE
MOTIVO DE DETENCIÓN

1
Cancino Acevedo, Juan
Secuestro Teniente Coronel Carreño.
2
Delgado Zapata, José
Internación de armas de "Carrizal Bajo".
3
Gómez Rogers, Mauricio
Internación de armas de "Carrizal Bajo".
4
Lira Matus, Diego
Internación de armas de "Carrizal Bajo".
5
Malbrich Baltra, Alfredo
Internación de armas de "Carrizal Bajo".
6
Márquez Miranda, Juan
Internación de armas de "Carrizal Bajo".
7
Molina Donoso, Claudio
Internación de armas de "Carrizal Bajo".
8
Moya Escanilla, Italo
Internación de armas de "Carrizal Bajo".
9
Pascual Arias, Rafael
Internación de armas de "Carrizal Bajo".
10
Alfaro Rojas, Germán
Varios Homicidios.
11
Alfaro Bassano, Daniel
Atentados terroristas diversos.
12
Asenjo González, Eduardo
Atentados terroristas diversos.
13
Blanchet Muñoz, Raúl
Atentados terroristas diversos.
14
Caro Morales, Juan
Atentados terroristas diversos.
15
Escala Illanes, Carlos
Atentados terroristas diversos.
16
Fuenzalida Navarrete, Manuel
Atentados terroristas diversos.
17
González Suva, Luis
Atentados terroristas diversos.
18
Hermosilla Díaz, Ricardo
Atentados terroristas diversos.
19
Inostroza Espinoza. Heriberto
Atentados terroristas diversos.
20
Marín Martínez, Jorge
Atentados terroristas diversos.
21
Molina Ossandon, Oscar
Atentados terroristas diversos.
22
Montecinos Montecinos, Miguel
Atentados terroristas diversos.
23
Osses Albornoz, Marcelo
Atentados terroristas diversos.
24
Peña Riveros, Francisco
Atentados terroristas diversos.
25
Quintana Contreras, Luis
Atentados terroristas diversos.
26
Riquelme García, Marcos
Atentados terroristas diversos.
27
Rodríguez Herrera, Horacio
Atentados terroristas diversos.
28
Rodríguez Herrera, Marcelo
Atentados terroristas diversos.
29
Rosentreter Zamora, Eduardo
Atentados terroristas diversos.
30
Saldivia Espinoza, Jorge
Atentados terroristas diversos.
31
Salinas Fernández, Claudio
Atentados terroristas diversos.
32
Tabilo Jara, Yuri
Atentados terroristas diversos.
33
Vargas Araya, Yuri
Atentados terroristas diversos.
34
Vargas Calderón, Humberto
Atentados terroristas diversos.
35
Velásquez Negrete, Florencio
Atentados terroristas diversos.
36
Ángulo González, Jorge
Atentado Gral. Pinochet y cinco homicidios.
37
Arenas Vejas, Arnaldo
Atentado Gral. Pinochet y cinco homicidios.
38
Arenas Vejas, Mauricio
Atentado Gral. Pinochet y cinco homicidios.
39
Campos Urzúa, Ricardo
Atentado Gral. Pinochet y cinco homicidios.
40
Contreras Sánchez, Ricardo
Atentado Gral. Pinochet y cinco homicidios.
41
Cruz Sandoval, Lautaro
Atentado Gral. Pinochet y cinco homicidios.
42
Díaz Caro, Víctor
Atentado Gral. Pinochet y cinco homicidios.
43
Lara Silva, Jorge
Atentado Gral. Pinochet y cinco homicidios.
44
Marin Hernández, Pedro
Atentado Gral. Pinochet y cinco homicidios.
45
Martínez Martínez, Jorge
Atentado Gral. Pinochet y cinco homicidios.
46
Melo Mendoza, Luis
Atentado Gral. Pinochet y cinco homicidios.
47
Moreno Avila, Juan
Atentado Gral. Pinochet y cinco homicidios.
48
Peralta Veliz, Rene
Atentado Gral. Pinochet y cinco homicidios.
49
Pino Molina, Carlos
Atentado Gral. Pinochet y cinco homicidios.

DEL CENTRO DE ALTA SEGURIDAD, 30 DE DICIEMBRE DE 1996
Nº
NOMBRE
MOTIVO DE DETENCIÓN

1
Hernández Norambuena, Mauricio
Homicidio del senador Jaime Guzman Errázuriz.
2
Muñoz Hoffman, Pablo
Homicidio de Carabinero de servicio.
3
Palma Salamanca, Ricardo
Homicidio del senador Jaime Guzman Errázuriz.
4
Ortiz Montenegro, Patricio
Homicidio de Carabinero de servicio.

DEL C.C.P. DE TEMUCO, 18 DE DICIEMBRE DE 2006
Nº
NOMBRE
MOTIVO DE DETENCIÓN

1
San Martín Morales, Cristian
Secuestro de industrial brasilero.

[E30 touge]

Are you fucking kidding me? "We deserved it"? We deserved it, because as a society, we seek to be progressive and insure an amazing quality of life and standard of living even for our "poor". Where someone making 23k/yr with 2 TVs, an apartment and a car is considered in poverty. We deserved it because we have a society of laws and protections that allow us to voice our opinions, no matter how backwards and retarded they may be. We deserved it because we're a first world nation that creates and exports culture and values. They hate us for our prosperity.

Fuck that. It's not our fault that they follow some bullshit raghead religion that states you live in the mud and caves like the rest of the world did a thousand years ago. That you batter your women, that you dismember a man for a small transgression. It's not our fault they follow this false dogma that states their only way to salvation is to commit suicide and murder the innocents in the ultimate act of cowardice. Islam is a plague apon the western world. Left unchecked it will be a cancer that kills us.

I don't want to hear this bullshit about "moderate" islam - it doesn't exist. I don't see mass condemnation for Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and the other various islamofascist groups. I don't see an outrage for a group that allegedly "hijacked" islam. Why don't you see it? Because it isn't there. Bin Laden and such didn't hijack anything, Islam is what they are.

-Charlie

i could not agree more. I was at home eating a bowl of cereal. I was born in new york, I will never forget.

[elguapo84]

Yeah, that is interesting. A few years ago we had a major incident where a disgruntled ex-employee came back to reak havoc after being fired. Being that I was one of the closest people to the situation, I was one of the witnesses in the detailed police report. I am sure that if I were to re-tell the story it would be much different.

it's likely, but for different reasons...in your case you actually witnessed the event, which is a stark contrast from passively learning of the event via a friend, the news, the radio, etc. If there was a weapon involved or a direct threat, you were probably aroused and your attention was likely narrowed, in which case you'd probably remember central details with good precision (e.g., the weapon, the subject's facial features, clothing, build, etc), while neglecting peripheral details (e.g., the weather, the indoor temperature, how many people were immediately present). The subject of eyewitness accuracy is a whole different topic in of itself. Whether your account is accurate today relative to your first account will depend on your current state of arousal, how long it has been since the event occured, and how many times you have rehearsed the event in your head over that duration. More food for thought :)

[JK_E30]

I just watched that united 93 movie last night.

That is sad, and it pissed me off. It was difficult to watch.

[Jscotty]

what would be interesting would be to rewrite your account 1 year, 2 years, 5 years, and 10 years from now without looking at your previous accounts to see what details were omitted, what details were added, and what details were changed completely. Food for thought.

Yeah, that is interesting. A few years ago we had a major incident where a disgruntled ex-employee came back to reak havoc after being fired. Being that I was one of the closest people to the situation, I was one of the witnesses in the detailed police report. I am sure that if I were to re-tell the story it would be much different.

[elguapo84]

Just came across this post after searching "plane crash" to see if anyone started a thread on the recent plane crash in Washington State that killed 10 people, one of which was a friend of mine.

What you all have described here is what is referred to in the cognitive literature as a "flashbulb" memory...it is defined as a memory of an event that is long lasting, detailed, and accurate. It is actually a fairly controversial phenomenon. Countless studies have been done wherein a researcher asks a participant to recall where he was, what he was doing, how and when he learned of the news when, for example, JFK was assassinated, the challenger exploded, 9/11, and so on. The current consensus is that flashbulbs can be very erroneous, and that confidence rather than accuracy is what characterizes them. So we may have these vivid images of waking up that morning and turning on the TV, going to school, listening to the radio, working on someone's car, etc., but it turns out by and large our minds are playing tricks on us. That is not to say that all of your accounts are wrong or entirely inaccurate, because that is likely not the case. Nonetheless, what would be interesting would be to rewrite your account 1 year, 2 years, 5 years, and 10 years from now without looking at your previous accounts to see what details were omitted, what details were added, and what details were changed completely. Food for thought.

[Jscotty]

It reminded me of the movie "the russians are coming the russians are coming" I was waiting for people to parachute into the back fields with machine guns.

You must be talking about "Red Dawn". Oddly enough, I was just watching that movie the other day.

[DoriftuEvo]

I don't want to hear this bullshit about "moderate" islam - it doesn't exist. I don't see mass condemnation for Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and the other various islamofascist groups. I don't see an outrage for a group that allegedly "hijacked" islam. Why don't you see it? Because it isn't there. Bin Laden and such didn't hijack anything, Islam is what they are.

-Charlie

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2426314.ece

According to this, we don't see an outrage because the extremists try to kill those that speak out. Of course I'm no expert on the situation so I'm not arguing, just thought this article was interesting.