gay marriage

[Turf1600]

You just called me a queer and the other member.

First off I am pretty sure that equals at least a temp ban.

Second off that is pretty immature.

Third, why don't you read what I said... I offered up a response and you chose not to respond to it.

I am straight. I chose NOT to be gay... So the reverse is not possible?

so, in theory you had to make an honest effort not to be a homosexual? I can see that you are VERY homophobic - trying to get me banned by calling you out on your theory. I've found that the most homophobic people are the ones who are the most scared of becoming gay. which would make sense - because you had to choose not to be gay. I never had the option.

Still think it's a choice? did you really have to sit there and choose to be straight?

[JK_E30]

I am straight. I chose NOT to be gay... So the reverse is not possible?

You CHOSE...

Did you sit down one day and think "hmm do I want to like boys, or do I want to like girls"

No, you are straight, it came natural, you didnt choose.

[JK_E30]

Still think it's a choice? did you really have to sit there and choose to be straight?

lol i just said that, dammit you beat me to it.

[Turf1600]

You CHOSE...

Did you sit down one day and think "hmm do I want to like boys, or do I want to like girls"

No, you are straight, it came natural, you didnt choose.

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[blunttech]

You just called me a queer and the other member.

First off I am pretty sure that equals at least a temp ban.

Second off that is pretty immature.

Third, why don't you read what I said... I offered up a response and you chose not to respond to it.

I am straight. I chose NOT to be gay... So the reverse is not possible?

first of all in this following debate i think its clear sloan won the argument and indeed person 1 is queer

Below is how I see you discussing a cold air intake.
Person 1: I don't think that cold air intake is really going to work.
psloan: It will, it is an open element filter that has more surface area
Person 1: Yes, but you have it dangling over the exhaust manifold.
psloan: You are a queer.

second of all you did not choose NOT to be queer. you are attracted to the opposite sex for the same reason jgood isnt. you were born like that. you will never convince me we choose to like the cock or vagina.

an as far as name calling this is off topic and a certain amount of that is to be expected.

[dinanm3atl]

You CHOSE...

Did you sit down one day and think "hmm do I want to like boys, or do I want to like girls"

No, you are straight, it came natural, you didnt choose.

Yup. It is natural for a man to want a woman...

No I didn't have to SIT down and go damn go I want to be a homo.

so, in theory you had to make an honest effort not to be a homosexual? I can see that you are VERY homophobic - trying to get me banned by calling you out on your theory. I've found that the most homophobic people are the ones who are the most scared of becoming gay. which would make sense - because you had to choose not to be gay. I never had the option.

Still think it's a choice? did you really have to sit there and choose to be straight?

No I didn't have to choose. Because naturally a human male wants a female. So I went after a female. I don't think either of you read what I typed out before.

I don't want you to get banned but I don't need to be called names in a debate like children.

[matt]

Who cares?

"But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782


"It does me no injury for my neighbor to marry another dude." - Matt

[Turf1600]

Yup. It is natural for a man to want a woman...

No I didn't have to SIT down and go damn go I want to be a homo.



No I didn't have to choose. Because naturally a human male wants a female. So I went after a female. I don't think either of you read what I typed out before.

I don't want you to get banned but I don't need to be called names in a debate like children.

I'm not calling you names. I'm making you stand behind your theory. you can't sit there and tell me people choose to be gay or straight - then tell me you're the exception to the rule. I have read every word you have typed, FYI.

[atomic]

Jay and Silent Bob
nws - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51pokdSkEho

[speedhop]

Me personally, I don't want my kids being raised in a society where homosexuality is told to be okay. I don't want my kids to grow up in a society where premarrital sex and abortion are told to be okay. I don't want my kids to feel that they have to CHOOSE between heterosexuality and homosexuality. That is how it effects me. I could care less if I am standing beside a homosexual. Body for body, they are the same person. But in private life, they are making decisions that I don't agree. Since I don't agree with them, I don't want them preached onto my children as being acceptable; its not.

In America, people by definition have the right to pursue happiness. Many find this in the form of homosexuality. That doesn't make it right. That isn't a cause for changing our laws, our text books, and our history. Do you want to be recognized as a country with a homosexual President; a President with no balls. We are a country of progress. We always have been. In the last 50 years though, we have digressed. Crime rates per capita are at an all time high, abortions are at an all time high, bastard homes are at an all time high, and preached homosexuality is at an all time high.

I don't mean to be so hash about it, but people keep flipping different religion and legal cards. Religion has no bearing in the matter, and legally its illegal by definition. Just because illegal immigrants come here and work hard, promote the general welfare, and for the most part don't commit crimes, they are still ILLEGAL. Homosexuality has never been accepted by the masses. There is a reason why people have to 'come out'. People need to stop being middle road, let everyone else think for them kind of people, and formulate your own opinions. Would you want your child to spend the night at a homosexuals home? Would you want to have a lesbian teacher telling your children that her decision was the best she ever made and they should think about it? Do you want it to be in our history books that there was a 2007 homosexuality movement? Do you want a man to proposition you because its legal for him to and he does not know if your gay or straight? Most importantly to me, do you want your kids to have to decide whether or not they should be gay or straight solely on the basis that their friends are and its accepted? These are the topics you need to decide; not, well if they want to they can. Its not that easy.

Yes, when it comes to the right time, I will introduce my kids to alcohol. Yes, I will give them the birds and bees talk, and explain that if they make the choice to partake in premarrital sex, then to be responsible and discuss the reprocussions first. Yes, my kid will be taught how to hunt and how to properly manage and secure firearms. I can tell you that my child won't go to public schools given the current curriculums (vs. when i attended), and my child won't be told that homosexuality is okay. So yes, will making homosexuality legal effect me, of course.

When I get back from working today, I am going to get out my case law books and cite the reprocussions of same-sex marriage. Its not in the interest of anyone except those who are concerned only with themselves. I am concerned with my childrens future, and my childrens childrens future. I can make do.

Wes

P.S. This should startle some uneasy stones. I am going to put my bulletproof vest on today :) .

Uneasy stone number 1...:)

I agree with the generality of your idea, but only in raising children. Any responsible parent should do their best to shield their children from the nuances of growing up...but it appears, and I could be wrong, that you are basing the decadence of our current society off of the sexual choice of men and women. Although you might be able to prove it to be a factor (I challenge you to do so) likewise I could choose to prove that obesity has a negative affect on the familial status of our country.

What I have a problem with however is you stating/asking a few skewed and manipulative questions, which are blatantly sarcastic, to further prove your point. If any man or woman is great at what he or she does, why does sexuality play any sort of factor. If I have a homosexual boss that is great at making money, why would I want it to be anything different?

What scares me about the conservatives that are close-minded is their blatant disregard for every other human interaction. I follow conservative political ideas...but do not agree with social conservative ideas. As time progresses so do the living definitions created by those before us. I have personally decided and am quite educated on these matters, but what I do not agree with or understand is the one who bases their knowledge on previous conservative ideas (a general thought, not pointing fingers). Keep in mind, those who write the history books are those who win and as I've seen many arguments before, they base their ideas off of majority...thus moving us in a societal discussion.

I would hope that any parent, would show their child love and affection regardless of sexual position, because it is not a choice. In fact the greatest thinkers and rhetoricians in history were "homosexual" or "bisexual".

What if you had homosexual kids?

P.S. Logical arguments welcome...name calling and irrational banter disproves theories

[LINUS]

Oh man - I hate being lumped in a group with others who take a hard line on things they find "unacceptable" and hide under the umbrella of religion.

To anyone who considers themselves religious and has called anybody a name here, please read my last post. Actually, let me paraphrase - Love & Acceptance. Jesus did it, you are supposed to emulate it.

I'm a little older than the average R3V'er, so I've seen my share of situations where as a younger me I would have said "No Fucking way!". But as you get older you realize that good people end up in strange situations, and we don't all have storybook lives.

I can't say what makes a person gay because I'm not. I know that I get wood over the female form, and it wasn't a consious choice to me that I see guys as ugly (except blunt, he's a hell of a looker ...kidding).

Point is I didn't decide to be hetero, so I can get on board with the idea that gay folks don't choose to be gay. Think about it, being gay means signing on for getting crap & undue hatred shown towards you just because you like the same sex - would someone choose to do that? I wouldn't. Besides, the sex is such a small part of a real relationship, but it's all anyone wants to focus on.

To all the straight guys - wouldn't it really be easier to have your partner be in agreeance with you on going fishing or hunting? And actually have a good time going with you? Just think on that for a bit.

Anyhow, as you get older maybe you'll open your mind to other peoples' walk in life. I was taught as a kid to dislike gay folks, that God hated them & that they shouldn't get the same treatment as hetero folks.

I'm glad I focused on the New Testament where Jesus preaches love - and I wish more "Christians" would too.

[dinanm3atl]

I don't understand what is happening here.

You have your theory and I have mine. You have said nothing to support or deny and neither have I but you are right because you are?

I guess we are done here.


Obviously being gay is not normal. So if/when they have some urge the NATURAL thing to do is resist the urge or want. Well they don't. Find they like it and then they chose to keep pursuing it.

[matt]

I don't understand what is happening here.

You have your theory and I have mine. You have said nothing to support or deny and neither have I but you are right because you are?

I guess we are done here.


Obviously being gay is not normal. So if/when they have some urge the NATURAL thing to do is resist the urge or want. Well they don't. Find they like it and then they chose to keep pursuing it.

What?

So when you get the urge to plow a dude, you do the natural thing and resist it?

[Turf1600]

Oh man - I hate being lumped in a group with others who take a hard line on things they find "unacceptable" and hide under the umbrella of religion.

To anyone who considers themselves religious and has called anybody a name here, please read my last post. Actually, let me paraphrase - Love & Acceptance. Jesus did it, you are supposed to emulate it.

I'm a little older than the average R3V'er, so I've seen my share of situations where as a younger me I would have said "No Fucking way!". But as you get older you realize that good people end up in strange situations, and we don't all have storybook lives.

I can't say what makes a person gay because I'm not. I know that I get wood over the female form, and it wasn't a consious choice to me that I see guys as ugly (except blunt, he's a hell of a looker ...kidding).

Point is I didn't decide to be hetero, so I can get on board with the idea that gay folks don't choose to be gay. Think about it, being gay means signing on for getting crap & undue hatred shown towards you just because you like the same sex - would someone choose to do that? I wouldn't. Besides, the sex is such a small part of a real relationship, but it's all anyone wants to focus on.

To all the straight guys - wouldn't it really be easier to have your partner be in agreeance with you on going fishing or hunting? And actually have a good time going with you? Just think on that for a bit.

Anyhow, as you get older maybe you'll open your mind to other peoples' walk in life. I was taught as a kid to dislike gay folks, that God hated them & that they shouldn't get the same treatment as hetero folks.

I'm glad I focused on the New Testament where Jesus preaches love - and I wish more "Christians" would too.

Best post of the day. Period.

[JK_E30]

Yup. It is natural for a man to want a woman...

No I didn't have to SIT down and go damn go I want to be a homo.

That doesnt make any sense with what I put. If your saying its natural then everyone wouldn have to sit down and think about it to make a decision. It would just be natural and there would be no homosexuality.