obama the hypocrite

[ldsbeaker]

This is a good thread.




IBTL?

[Turf1600]

I don't know why the fuck I post in these threads. I tell myself not to and I still can't help it. Fucking internet.

You feel the need to vent your frustrations about events long passed that no one can do anything about?

Question: What more can I do as a white man to help people abandon their ancient hang-ups?

[atomic]

I am going to kick back and :drink: and enjoy watching Obama :firehop: and :blowup:


/thread :p

[Turf1600]

Hey Hugh - check out this link and then tell me what you think.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/home.html

[uofom3]

This thread is illustrating exactly what is going to happen to Obama's campaign - it just became about race and nothing else. He polarized the voting pool over something that they have no control over - and clandestinely (and somewhat understandably) took a side

[Farbin Kaiber]

I feel bad for the fact that he may burn the ability for another member of his race to gain a chance at office for some time.

[uofom3]

I feel bad for the fact that he may burn the ability for another member of his race to gain a chance at office for some time.

exactly - great point.

Honestly, I always figured that the best way for a black politician to gain recognition in this country and "break the barrier" would be for him to run as a conservative.

People overlook this, but there is a growing number of african-american conservatives in this country.

[Julien]

I was going to stay of this thread, but here it is.

How can any conservative still have a foot to stand on regarding the legitimacy of a candidate after having vehemently defended such a bad administration for the past 8 years? It has been said that this previous administration is more corrupt than the Nixon administration (Rep Waxman, house oversight committee). Millions of tax dollars have disappeared because of "an accounting error (C. Rice)".

The buying power of the average American has done nothing but tumble for the past few years, the job market has turned sour. Foreign Policy is a total clusterfuck at the moment and so is the situation in Iraq. The only steady trend that we've seen in the past eight years is the increased wealth of a tiny crust of ultra wealthy Americans.

I'm sure the greater majority of the responses to this thread will be the typical us conservative flaming. Yadda yadda yadda waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles this liberal that..

If you want to attack my sources of information here they are:
in the US: Charlie Rose/NPR news and.. Fox or Abc
in Europe I watched: Al Jazeera, BBC World News, CNN Headline news and Skynews

Back on topic, Instead of insulting every possible chance for America, how about seeing who will fix America.



Julien

[uofom3]

I was going to stay of this thread, but here it is.

How can any conservative still have a foot to stand on regarding the legitimacy of a candidate after having vehemently defended such a bad administration for the past 8 years? It has been said that this previous administration is more corrupt than the Nixon administration (Rep Waxman, house oversight committee). Millions of tax dollars have disappeared because of "an accounting error (C. Rice)".

The buying power of the average American has done nothing but tumble for the past few years, the job market has turned sour. Foreign Policy is a total clusterfuck at the moment and so is the situation in Iraq. The only steady trend that we've seen in the past eight years is the increased wealth of a tiny crust of ultra wealthy Americans.

I'm sure the greater majority of the responses to this thread will be the typical us conservative flaming. Yadda yadda yadda waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles this liberal that..

If you want to attack my sources of information here they are:
in the US: Charlie Rose/NPR news and.. Fox or Abc
in Europe I watched: Al Jazeera, BBC World News, CNN Headline news and Skynews

Back on topic, Instead of insulting every possible chance for America, how about seeing who will fix America.



Julien

OK Julien, you cited sources but didn't actually site any instances from those sources? All of the sources that you noted propogate the failings of the US virtually exclusively... these are the people that are telling you these untruths:

- That we are in a recession
- We are loosing in Iraq
- That people in this country have NO options for healthcare that is subsidized
- It's all about oil (though this has a major impact, people blame it on the GOP - when in reality you can blame the Chinese, OPEC, our lack of ability to drill on OUR SOIL, lack of funding for hyrdo power - which is PARTICULARLY problematic in our area of the country i.e. can't use hydro power because it might hurt salmon population??)
- We brought 9/11 on ourselves
- the world hates us

This isn't typical "conservative name calling" or whatever else it's branded as - it's actually analyzing the data. For instance, 30-40% of oil companies firms are owned by mutual funds and shareholders. Liberals don't want to hear that. They want conservatives to just be good and stop talking about how these things are working. I'm not going to do that.

Your final statement about how you want someone to do something is great - however, Obama has done nothing what-so-ever to suggest he has anything but good ideas; not feasible solutions.

I guess I simply believe in the power of individuals and the work ethic/capability of the American people - not the ability of government to solve these problems for me. you should to, as you just illustrated that the government clearly mishandles everything, apparently. Why would you want to increase their power?

[hugh jass]

Hey Hugh - check out this link and then tell me what you think.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/home.html

rick astley is my spiritual advisor

[Julien]

You do that. I'll keep my money in euros. ;-)
Julien

OK Julien, you cited sources but didn't actually site any instances from those sources? All of the sources that you noted propogate the failings of the US virtually exclusively... these are the people that are telling you these untruths:

- That we are in a recession
- We are loosing in Iraq
- That people in this country have NO options for healthcare that is subsidized
- It's all about oil (though this has a major impact, people blame it on the GOP - when in reality you can blame the Chinese, OPEC, our lack of ability to drill on OUR SOIL, lack of funding for hyrdo power - which is PARTICULARLY problematic in our area of the country i.e. can't use hydro power because it might hurt salmon population??)
- We brought 9/11 on ourselves
- the world hates us

This isn't typical "conservative name calling" or whatever else it's branded as - it's actually analyzing the data. For instance, 30-40% of oil companies firms are owned by mutual funds and shareholders. Liberals don't want to hear that. They want conservatives to just be good and stop talking about how these things are working. I'm not going to do that.

Your final statement about how you want someone to do something is great - however, Obama has done nothing what-so-ever to suggest he has anything but good ideas; not feasible solutions.

I guess I simply believe in the power of individuals and the work ethic/capability of the American people - not the ability of government to solve these problems for me. you should to, as you just illustrated that the government clearly mishandles everything, apparently. Why would you want to increase their power?

[uofom3]

You do that. I'll keep my money in euros. ;-)
Julien

It's a great place to have your money - I encouraged my dad to change some currency a while back and it's been a great success to this point.

People don't want to see a recession come; they don't realize that it's part of an economic cycle (e.g. the bubble has to burst sometime).

By cutting interest rates, sending out billions in government bailouts, inflation/stagflation and shipping jobs overseas because of globalization: our economy gets worse.

The uneducated person thinks that lowering interest rates makes money cheaper to get (which they view as good), gets money in the mail for nothing, and sees their wages rise - thus this must be great! wrong.

We need 9% short term interest rates with a long term interest rate fixed above the history 5.6-5.9% range and more in the 6.5% range. Couple that with no tax increases, and STOP printing money.

This would immediately have two effects:
1)DOW would drop 3000 points in about a week.
2)The dollar would recover faster than blunt after his first 6 second go around with jenna jameson

BUT, people don't want this. They don't understand that it needs to happen. Sadly, the Bush administration has not stuck to their conservative principles, and the FED is acting in a way that is merely passifying the un-educate people in the American populous.

NOTE: By uneducated, I do not mean stupid. I mean that they have not schooled themselves to understand what really needs to happen in the long-run to recover market equilibriums as well as restore our financial markets to solid positions. They would rather see a 13,000 point market than has no basis than a 10k market that is actually solidly functioning.

[uofom3]

Also - where the hell is blunt on this. He can't be drawing flacid penis all day.

[blunttech]

OK Julien, you cited sources but didn't actually site any instances from those sources? All of the sources that you noted propogate the failings of the US virtually exclusively... these are the people that are telling you these untruths:

- That we are in a recession
- We are loosing in Iraq
- That people in this country have NO options for healthcare that is subsidized
- It's all about oil (though this has a major impact, people blame it on the GOP - when in reality you can blame the Chinese, OPEC, our lack of ability to drill on OUR SOIL, lack of funding for hyrdo power - which is PARTICULARLY problematic in our area of the country i.e. can't use hydro power because it might hurt salmon population??)
- We brought 9/11 on ourselves
- the world hates us

This isn't typical "conservative name calling" or whatever else it's branded as - it's actually analyzing the data. For instance, 30-40% of oil companies firms are owned by mutual funds and shareholders. Liberals don't want to hear that. They want conservatives to just be good and stop talking about how these things are working. I'm not going to do that.

Your final statement about how you want someone to do something is great - however, Obama has done nothing what-so-ever to suggest he has anything but good ideas; not feasible solutions.

I guess I simply believe in the power of individuals and the work ethic/capability of the American people - not the ability of government to solve these problems for me. you should to, as you just illustrated that the government clearly mishandles everything, apparently. Why would you want to increase their power?

you deserve a reach around for your viewpoints. and im the guy to give you one

[Ral]

UofM3, you might be my hero.