Global Warming: What do you think? What do you know?

[rwh11385]

And you could go to the bar, take the drinks you would imbibe and take 'em home in a 5 gal bucket and use that fancy engineering degree your gonna get to invent a way to make regular ole Pabst Blue Ribbon into fuel, its cheaper by the gallon.

Then go to California Air Resources Board and hand out literature for pabst85.

not too far from the truth of Sweden.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/06/070625-swedish-biogas.html

June 25, 2007

In a quest to wean itself off oil, Sweden is turning to an unusual alternative fuel: smuggled alcohol.

Last year, the Swedish government confiscated almost 200,000 gallons (more than 700,000 liters) of alcohol that was illegally brought into the country.

It used to be standard procedure for customs officials to pour the stuff down the drain.

Now the beer, wine, and spirits are instead converted into biofuel—which helps power thousands of cars, buses, taxis, garbage trucks, and even a train.

"This alcohol, which used to go to waste, is now turned into something that's positive for the environment," said Ingrid Jarlebrink of Tullverket, the Swedish Customs agency based in Malmö, Sweden.

Indeed, recycling alcohol is just one of a number of alternative transport fuels in use in Sweden.

More than one-quarter of all the energy consumed in Sweden in 2004 came from renewable sources—more than four times as much as the European Union average of 6 percent. In the capital, Stockholm, one-quarter of city buses run on ethanol or biogas.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Just felt random. It comes out from time to time.

[rwh11385]

I agree with you - but how do you propose we do that? there are plenty of slackasses who need a job and I'd be more than willing to make it work in that way. That would have a huge net-benefit for the economy. But simply saying we have a labor surplus and automatically moving them into some sort of agricultural labor is not going to be easy as it's going to require relocation (and associated fees), wages that make it attractive, etc.

Bush was on TV not too long ago talking about retraining people from textile industry into healthcare administration. I know I am, and usually you too, are anti-intervention, but with stubborn people who are no longer in demand, I believe it's necessary to help people adjust to hard circumstances.

[uofom3]

Heeter is a terrorist if he supports e85.

1. Bobby Kennedy was shot & killed by:
a. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. Harry Potter
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old

2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped
and massacred by:
a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Ahnuld
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


3. In 1979, the US Embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. El-Vez
c. A tour bus of 80 year old women
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were
kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden (did pms sell that car ?)
c. The Boy Scouts
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman (Salseman ! )
c. Geraldo Rivera
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70
year old American passenger was murdered and thrown
overboard in his wheelchair by (any gusses?)
a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones (aka David Bowie)
c. The Little Mermaid
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


7. IN 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a
US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by
a. Captain Kid
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Mother Teresa
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


8. In 1988, Pam Am flight 103 was bombed by
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


9. In 1993 the World Trade was bombed the 1st time by
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jorddan
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


10. 1998, US Embassies in Kenya & Tanzania bombed by
a. Mr. Rodgers
b. Hillary, to distract from Wild Bill's women problems
c. The World Wrestling Foundation
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


11. On Nine-Eleven, four airliners were hijacked; two were
used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and
of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon,
and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers.
Thousands of people were killed by (?)
a. Buggs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck, Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Flordia
c. Mr. Bean
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


12. In '02, the U. S. fought a war in Afghanistan against
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


13. In '02, reporter Dan Pearl was kidnapped/murdered by
a. Bonnie & Clyde
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Billy Graham
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


14. In 2004 who bombed the Spanish Railways
(I think you guys are starting to catch on)
Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


15. In 2005, who bombed the London railways
Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old




I really do not see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you ?



9. In 1993 the World Trade was bombed the 1st time by
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jorddan
D. Muslem male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old



The 17 to 40 year old in question here was allowed to freely travel
back and forth from the good ol' US of A and Afghanistan, thanks
to his being a so-called "guest worker" visa he was granted.
More to the point " agricultural " guest worker. This is the stuff
Mr. Chappaquiddick & Senator McCain are pushing for.

yikes - that's a pretty far-right-wing way of putting it; even for my conservative ass.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Heeter is a terrorist if he supports e85.

1. Bobby Kennedy was shot & killed by:
a. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. Harry Potter
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old

2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped
and massacred by:
a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Ahnuld
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


3. In 1979, the US Embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. El-Vez
c. A tour bus of 80 year old women
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were
kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden (did pms sell that car ?)
c. The Boy Scouts
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman (Salseman ! )
c. Geraldo Rivera
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70
year old American passenger was murdered and thrown
overboard in his wheelchair by (any gusses?)
a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones (aka David Bowie)
c. The Little Mermaid
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


7. IN 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a
US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by
a. Captain Kid
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Mother Teresa
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


8. In 1988, Pam Am flight 103 was bombed by
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


9. In 1993 the World Trade was bombed the 1st time by
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jorddan
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


10. 1998, US Embassies in Kenya & Tanzania bombed by
a. Mr. Rodgers
b. Hillary, to distract from Wild Bill's women problems
c. The World Wrestling Foundation
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


11. On Nine-Eleven, four airliners were hijacked; two were
used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and
of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon,
and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers.
Thousands of people were killed by (?)
a. Buggs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck, Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Flordia
c. Mr. Bean
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


12. In '02, the U. S. fought a war in Afghanistan against
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


13. In '02, reporter Dan Pearl was kidnapped/murdered by
a. Bonnie & Clyde
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Billy Graham
D. Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


14. In 2004 who bombed the Spanish Railways
(I think you guys are starting to catch on)
Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old


15. In 2005, who bombed the London railways
Muslim male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old




I really do not see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you ?



9. In 1993 the World Trade was bombed the 1st time by
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jorddan
D. Muslem male extremist between 17 - 40 yrs old



The 17 to 40 year old in question here was allowed to freely travel
back and forth from the good ol' US of A and Afghanistan, thanks
to his being a so-called "guest worker" visa he was granted.
More to the point " agricultural " guest worker. This is the stuff
Mr. Chappaquiddick & Senator McCain are pushing for.

[uofom3]

^^^^^^^^^^^

costs a lot but with the way fuel prices are now it cant get much worse

Yeah but lok at hte overhead involved in producing e85? I mean there is going to be a SHIT load of changes that have to be made to make this viable. Between the direct/indirect costs of production - labor costs - and the fact that you're going to have to shift a large number of people in the economy in a direction that is viewed as a regression.. it probably won't cost more than the alternatives.

Also with something like this, as more of it gets produced better ways of producing it will emerge. Though refining of ethanol could become more streamlined, you can't automate the whole process and there will always be a large amount of manual labor involved. It should be possible to get a machine to synthesize gasoline.

[mrsleeve]

^^^^^^^^^^^

costs a lot but with the way fuel prices are now it cant get much worse

[uofom3]

But some day there will be no more, or cost so much that it's not worth it to pump. Why not be as proactive as possible?

I've run into enough people in my young life to know there are a lot of people in the world who are comfortable with status quo so that they resist change, innovation, or development, but still... they bitch about gas prices and don't care to do much.

yes but address my second point - why not make it in a lab? it's been done... and then we don't have to mess with the rest. this isn't a "status quo" response... this just saves a hell of a lot of headaches. We can grow skin in a lab, we can re-attach limbs, and put people on the moon... but we can't synthesize oil? I find that hard to believe.

[rwh11385]

I understand that it's "depleting" but by no means are we running out. Why does no one say "lets synthesis oil!" The Germans did it in the 40's... why aren't we just making it in a lab like they did? Then you could forgo all of this corn/crude/electric bull shit and just do it.

But some day there will be no more, or cost so much that it's not worth it to pump. Why not be as proactive as possible?

I've run into enough people in my young life to know there are a lot of people in the world who are comfortable with status quo so that they resist change, innovation, or development, but still... they bitch about gas prices and don't care to do much.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Nice sig. Way to stick it to the MAN.

[mrsleeve]

WOW have you ever worked on a farm? Its not something you just one day decide to pick up. With the amount of common sense that the majority of people posses to day the number of farming incidents would increase 100 fold.

Like stated above its hard phsycal work that people like your self are going too school to not have to do. Most people my age have no idea what real work is, an none want to do it . They have been told their entire lives they dont have to do things like that if they get their degree. I enjoy a hard days work it lest you know you are alive an most people in my (our generation) will never know that. Heater you are only a couple of years younger than I.

[Farbin Kaiber]

you could. or you could just grow weed and sell it. and pass out literature blaming the government for X or Y

And you could go to the bar, take the drinks you would imbibe and take 'em home in a 5 gal bucket and use that fancy engineering degree your gonna get to invent a way to make regular ole Pabst Blue Ribbon into fuel, its cheaper by the gallon.

Then go to California Air Resources Board and hand out literature for pabst85.

[uofom3]

It's got to start somewhere. Unless the solution is to keep constantly relying on a depleting resource with rising prices. Bridging to renewable technologies may NOT be as easy we the status quo or even possibly as cheap (let's hope in the long run) but when will people start caring? They are already whining about gas prices, but don't want to do ANYTHING about it but bitch... WTF?

I understand that it's "depleting" but by no means are we running out. Why does no one say "lets synthesis oil!" The Germans did it in the 40's... why aren't we just making it in a lab like they did? Then you could forgo all of this corn/crude/electric bull shit and just do it.

[uofom3]

We also have a lot of people being unemployed by globalization and people whining about not having a job in X industry. Seems like there is labor supply. Sure they need to be re-trained but better than not working at all. And I doubt there is no land that cannot be used at all in this large country that has states the size of other nations.

I agree with you - but how do you propose we do that? there are plenty of slackasses who need a job and I'd be more than willing to make it work in that way. That would have a huge net-benefit for the economy. But simply saying we have a labor surplus and automatically moving them into some sort of agricultural labor is not going to be easy as it's going to require relocation (and associated fees), wages that make it attractive, etc.

So are we just to continue to shift our country to employment to slackers with no dedication? And wonder why Indians can take our shippable jobs?

..... Not totally following but I think you're saying that we should not shift our economy in a direction that would further promote the slacking. I agree with that. But the jobs that are being shipped to India require jsut as much training or less than what is being proposed in regards to making these people farm.

And what's wrong with making ethanol? Seems to make a lot more sense to diversify our energy supply than rely on the same old OPEC.

My next post said that I don't have a problem with it - I'm just saying it's going to be tough to adopt.

[rwh11385]

So I should take my service industry skills and since i'm on unemployment I should farm e85?

you could. or you could just grow weed and sell it. and pass out literature blaming the government for X or Y