Just in case you were considering voting for Hillary

[CorvallisBMW]

Protect liberty, not its people. That is drastically different.

I would disagree to a point. If the government does not protect it's people, then what good is liberty? Can you have liberty if you are dead?

[DarkWing6]

I would disagree to a point. If the government does not protect it's people, then what good is liberty? Can you have liberty if you are dead?

Then you disagree with the Constitution, not me.


Should the government protect people from themselves? If I am going to OD, eat poorly, not work out, get in fights, or do anything that doesn't take care of myself, why is it the governtment's job to take care of me? Why would I even have a job? As long as the government will put food on my table and a roof over my head. It would be cool to see our government let somebody take responsibility for their own actions. Open your eyes and think for yourself for once.

[CorvallisBMW]

Then you disagree with the Constitution, not me.


Should the government protect people from themselves? If I am going to OD, eat poorly, not work out, get in fights, or do anything that doesn't take care of myself, why is it the governtment's job to take care of me? Why would I even have a job? As long as the government will put food on my table and a roof over my head. It would be cool to see our government let somebody take responsibility for their own actions. Open your eyes and think for yourself for once.

Again, what makes you think that all medical conditions are self-caused? You assume that OD'ing, eating poortly and getting in fights are the sole causes of sickness. That's simply not true. Not one you you has responded to my points that MOST medical issues requiring hospital care are completely out of the hands of the people whom they afflict. People don't choose to get breast cancer, lukemia, the flu, bronchitis, strep throat, etc. Are you saying that all diseases and medical afflictions are preventable through a healthy lifestyle?

Do people deserve to die from preventable diseases simply because they do not have insurance benefits? Because that is exaclty the kind of system we have: If you can't pay, you get to die. Sorry, but I don't agree with that.

I'm not talking about the government protecting people from themselves. I never once said that or anything like that. What I did say is that our current system is total crap and we need a new system that covers everyone, not just 20%. You're the one who ran with it and suddenly brought the welfare thing out of wayyyy left field. I'm not saying people shouldn't take responsibility for their actions. But should they be condemned for things that are out of their control?

[blunttech]

Again, what makes you think that all medical conditions are self-caused? You assume that OD'ing, eating poortly and getting in fights are the sole causes of sickness. That's simply not true. Not one you you has responded to my points that MOST medical issues requiring hospital care are completely out of the hands of the people whom they afflict. People don't choose to get breast cancer, lukemia, the flu, bronchitis, strep throat, etc. Are you saying that all diseases and medical afflictions are preventable through a healthy lifestyle?

Do people deserve to die from preventable diseases simply because they do not have insurance benefits? Because that is exaclty the kind of system we have: If you can't pay, you get to die. Sorry, but I don't agree with that.

I'm not talking about the government protecting people from themselves. I never once said that or anything like that. What I did say is that our current system is total crap and we need a new system that covers everyone, not just 20%. You're the one who ran with it and suddenly brought the welfare thing out of wayyyy left field. I'm not saying people shouldn't take responsibility for their actions. But should they be condemned for things that are out of their control?

god enough of the entitlement attitude. nobody owes you anything, certainly not the government. im glad your father made it thru his ordeal and is recovering but he made a choice. a choice to make something out of himself, get a good job with health benefits so if he did get sick he was covered. we all make choices. health care needs competition. i dont want to attack you but i really think you are ignorant to the facts. we all pay way too much for health care and i dont have a solution. but i would rather pay what i pay now than go to socialized medicine. once we do you will have drooling mouth breathers for doctors who just dont give a fuck, much like military doctors in general. "free" healthcare will break us. and i dont want some douchebag telling me when to go to the doctor. if something is free people will abuse it. even the cost of a 20 dollar co pay keeps people from going to the doctor for unneeded things. put a sign outside Mc donalds saying "free hamburgers" and see what happens. youre going to be out of hamburgers in no time and mc donalds will go broke. this country was founded on the idea that hard work will get you a good life. now everyone wants the government to care for them.

[CorvallisBMW]

"free" healthcare will break us. and i dont want some douchebag telling me when to go to the doctor. if something is free people will abuse it. even the cost of a 20 dollar co pay keeps people from going to the doctor for unneeded things. put a sign outside Mc donalds saying "free hamburgers" and see what happens. youre going to be out of hamburgers in no time and mc donalds will go broke. this country was founded on the idea that hard work will get you a good life. now everyone wants the government to care for them.

No one is promoting 'free' healthcare. There will still be premiums and there will still be copays. I don't know where you are getting your information, but you may want to do a bit more research.

The problem is that there are a lot of hard-working people in this country who do not have health insurance. In Oregon, 60% of the uninsured work full-time (40 hrs/wk) or more. I agree that people need to work hard and not be freeloaders. I don't like freeloaders any more than you. But there are are a lot of people out there who do work hard and do have good jobs but still fall through the cracks for a variety of reasons. What if they get laid off by some company that moves to China, and are suddenly struck with an illness? Is that their fault, did they not work 'hard enough'?

[Funkmasta]

No one is promoting 'free' healthcare. There will still be premiums and there will still be copays. I don't know where you are getting your information, but you may want to do a bit more research.

The problem is that there are a lot of hard-working people in this country who do not have health insurance. In Oregon, 60% of the uninsured work full-time (40 hrs/wk) or more. I agree that people need to work hard and not be freeloaders. I don't like freeloaders any more than you. But there are are a lot of people out there who do work hard and do have good jobs but still fall through the cracks for a variety of reasons. What if they get laid off by some company that moves to China, and are suddenly struck with an illness? Is that their fault, did they not work 'hard enough'?

The problem there, is the same problem we have with sub-par healthcare. DON'T GIVE THE BUSINESSES THE TAX DEDUCTION. Give it to the individuals. Have people get PERSONAL plans, not plans through their employer-group

[Pinepig]

According to the constitution, the purpose of our government is to protect it's people.

Just epic fucking failure, did you read that somewhere or just yank it out of your butt.

Here ya go,

§1. Origin and Purpose of Government

Section 1. All government, of right, originates with the people, is founded on their will alone, and is instituted to protect the rights of the individual and for the good of the whole. Its only legitimate ends are to secure justice for all, preserve peace, protect the rights, and promote the happiness and general welfare of the people. The rights enumerated in this Article are inalienable by the state and shall be preserved inviolate by the state.