SCOTUS rules in favor of the 2nd Amendment

[Sam Cogley]

Today government already has to much power. They are already trying to dictate what you do and how you do it. We come from the land of the free and though we live free'r than others its not what this country was meant to be.

In the spirit of Irony, I will now mimic the GOP: Gays!!! Gays!!! Gays!!! Get them!!!

[Pinepig]

Im bored with this josh guys posts since he doesnt bother to actually read mine (or understand english)



Now, see that wouldnt have happend had they banned handguns....

Ya think.:grin:

[robbieosterman]

Are there any laws preventing people on anti-depressants from purchasing a gun? I remember when I bought my rifle one of the questions asked if you were 'depressed', seems like such a broad question...

Discuss.

[Vedubin01]

3) Persons who have been adjudicated as a mental defective or have been committed to a mental institution

Criteria for Entry

The Department of Veteran Affairs, the Depart-ment of Defense, and state law enforcement have the authority to enter and update records on persons who have been adjudicated as mental defectives or have been committed to mental institutions.



Only if the Dr. noted you as mental before he prescribed them.

[CorvallisBMW]

Are there any laws preventing people on anti-depressants from purchasing a gun? I remember when I bought my rifle one of the questions asked if you were 'depressed', seems like such a broad question...

Discuss.

You should have said, 'yeah, I'm depressed. But only because I dont have my gun yet, now gimme so I can feel better!!'

[Vedubin01]

This is also a sad read. I have been following this from the beginning and he is a member on AR15.com

Sad day for sure!

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=68590

Owner of broken rifle surrenders for 30-month sentence

'The conviction of David Olofson is a gross miscarriage of justice'

A Wisconsin man today surrendered to federal authorities to begin serving a 30-month prison term for
having a broken rifle, prompting the Gun Owners of America to issue a warning about the owner's
liability should any semi-automatic weapon ever misfire.

"A gun that malfunctions is not a machine gun," Larry Pratt, executive director of GOA, said. "What
the [federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives] has done in the [David] Olofson
case has set a precedent that could make any of the millions of Americans that own semi-automatic
firearms suddenly the owner [of] an unregistered machine gun at the moment the gun malfunctions."

Officials with Gun Owners of America told WND they met with Olofson today before he surrendered to
federal authorities for his prison term. U.S. District Judge Charles Clevert had imposed the
sentence after the gun in question let loose three shots at a firing range.

"It didn't matter the rifle in question had not been intentionally modified for select fire, or that
it did not have an M16 bolt carrier . that it did not show any signs of machining or drilling, or
that that model had even been recalled a few years back," said a commentary in Guns Magazine on the
case against Olofson, of Berlin, Wis.


"It didn't matter the government had repeatedly failed to replicate automatic fire until they
replaced the ammunition with a softer primer type. It didn't even matter that the prosecution
admitted it was not important to prove the gun would do it again if the test were conducted today,"
the magazine said. "What mattered was the government's position that none of the above was relevant
because '[T]here's no indication it makes any difference under the statute. If you pull the trigger
once and it fires more than one round, no matter what the cause it's a machine gun.'

"No matter what the cause."

"David Olofson is a victim of BATFE abuse," Pratt said. "He has been railroaded by an agency that is
out-of-control."

An appeal is being assembled by a legal team at the William J. Olson, P.C., law firm, supplemented
by attorney Bob Sanders, whose career stretches from being assistant director of criminal
investigations at BATFE to many years in private trial law, officials said.

Constitutional expert Herb Titus also is counsel to the Olson law firm.

WND reported earlier when Olofson, a drill instructor in the National Guard, was convicted in a
federal court for illegally transferring a machine gun.

The verdict came in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Wisconsin.

An expert witness said then the decision was filled with problems.

"If your semiautomatic rifle breaks or malfunctions you are now subject to prosecution. That is now
a sad FACT," wrote Len Savage, a weaponry expert who runs Historic Arms LLC.

"To those in the sporting culture who have derided 'black guns' and so-called 'assault weapons';
Your double barreled shotgun is now next up to be seized and you could possibly be prosecuted if the
ATF can get it to 'fire more than once,'" he wrote in a blog run by Red's Trading Post.

"Hey, but don't worry," Savage said. "The people testing it have no procedures in writing and the
testing will be in secret."

He said during an interview with Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership that Olofson had
been instructing a man in the use of guns, and the student asked to borrow a rifle for some shooting
practice.

"Mr. Olofson was nice enough to accommodate him," Savage said. So the student, Robert Kiernicki,
went to a range and fired about 120 rounds. "He went to put in another magazine and the rifle shot
three times, then jammed."

He said the rifle, which was subject to a manufacturer's recall because of mechanical problems at
one point, malfunctioned because of the way it was made.

Savage said once the government confiscated the gun, things got worse.

"They examined and test fired the rifle; then declared it to be 'just a rifle,'" Savage said. "You
would think it would all be resolved at this point, this was merely the beginning."

He said the Special Agent in Charge, Jody Keeku, asked for a re-test and specified that the tests
use "soft primered commercial ammunition."

"FTB has no standardized testing procedures, in fact it has no written procedures at all for testing
firearms," Savage said. "They had no standard to stick to, and gleefully tried again. The results
this time...'a machinegun.' ATF with a self-admitted 50 percent error rate pursued an indictment and
Mr. Olofson was charged with 'Unlawful transfer of a machinegun.'. Not possession, not even Robert
Kiernicki was charged with possession (who actually possessed the rifle), though the ATF paid Mr.
Kiernicki 'an undisclosed amount of money' to testify against Mr. Olofson at trial," Savage said.

[robbieosterman]

What can be done to stop this madness?

[joshh]

Im bored with this josh guys posts since he doesnt bother to actually read mine (or understand english)



Now, see that wouldnt have happend had they banned handguns....

Interesting considering I posted proof about what you said doesn't happen. Odd eh...

[joshh]

IRONIC!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstor...9520-20592515/

What we need to do here is ban all knives, that'll cure the problem.

[Sam Cogley]

This is also a sad read. I have been following this from the beginning and he is a member on AR15.com

Sad day for sure!

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=68590

Owner of broken rifle surrenders for 30-month sentence

'The conviction of David Olofson is a gross miscarriage of justice'

A Wisconsin man today surrendered to federal authorities to begin serving a 30-month prison term for
having a broken rifle, prompting the Gun Owners of America to issue a warning about the owner's
liability should any semi-automatic weapon ever misfire.

"A gun that malfunctions is not a machine gun," Larry Pratt, executive director of GOA, said. "What
the [federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives] has done in the [David] Olofson
case has set a precedent that could make any of the millions of Americans that own semi-automatic
firearms suddenly the owner [of] an unregistered machine gun at the moment the gun malfunctions."

Officials with Gun Owners of America told WND they met with Olofson today before he surrendered to
federal authorities for his prison term. U.S. District Judge Charles Clevert had imposed the
sentence after the gun in question let loose three shots at a firing range.

"It didn't matter the rifle in question had not been intentionally modified for select fire, or that
it did not have an M16 bolt carrier . that it did not show any signs of machining or drilling, or
that that model had even been recalled a few years back," said a commentary in Guns Magazine on the
case against Olofson, of Berlin, Wis.


"It didn't matter the government had repeatedly failed to replicate automatic fire until they
replaced the ammunition with a softer primer type. It didn't even matter that the prosecution
admitted it was not important to prove the gun would do it again if the test were conducted today,"
the magazine said. "What mattered was the government's position that none of the above was relevant
because '[T]here's no indication it makes any difference under the statute. If you pull the trigger
once and it fires more than one round, no matter what the cause it's a machine gun.'

"No matter what the cause."

"David Olofson is a victim of BATFE abuse," Pratt said. "He has been railroaded by an agency that is
out-of-control."

An appeal is being assembled by a legal team at the William J. Olson, P.C., law firm, supplemented
by attorney Bob Sanders, whose career stretches from being assistant director of criminal
investigations at BATFE to many years in private trial law, officials said.

Constitutional expert Herb Titus also is counsel to the Olson law firm.

WND reported earlier when Olofson, a drill instructor in the National Guard, was convicted in a
federal court for illegally transferring a machine gun.

The verdict came in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Wisconsin.

An expert witness said then the decision was filled with problems.

"If your semiautomatic rifle breaks or malfunctions you are now subject to prosecution. That is now
a sad FACT," wrote Len Savage, a weaponry expert who runs Historic Arms LLC.

"To those in the sporting culture who have derided 'black guns' and so-called 'assault weapons';
Your double barreled shotgun is now next up to be seized and you could possibly be prosecuted if the
ATF can get it to 'fire more than once,'" he wrote in a blog run by Red's Trading Post.

"Hey, but don't worry," Savage said. "The people testing it have no procedures in writing and the
testing will be in secret."

He said during an interview with Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership that Olofson had
been instructing a man in the use of guns, and the student asked to borrow a rifle for some shooting
practice.

"Mr. Olofson was nice enough to accommodate him," Savage said. So the student, Robert Kiernicki,
went to a range and fired about 120 rounds. "He went to put in another magazine and the rifle shot
three times, then jammed."

He said the rifle, which was subject to a manufacturer's recall because of mechanical problems at
one point, malfunctioned because of the way it was made.

Savage said once the government confiscated the gun, things got worse.

"They examined and test fired the rifle; then declared it to be 'just a rifle,'" Savage said. "You
would think it would all be resolved at this point, this was merely the beginning."

He said the Special Agent in Charge, Jody Keeku, asked for a re-test and specified that the tests
use "soft primered commercial ammunition."

"FTB has no standardized testing procedures, in fact it has no written procedures at all for testing
firearms," Savage said. "They had no standard to stick to, and gleefully tried again. The results
this time...'a machinegun.' ATF with a self-admitted 50 percent error rate pursued an indictment and
Mr. Olofson was charged with 'Unlawful transfer of a machinegun.'. Not possession, not even Robert
Kiernicki was charged with possession (who actually possessed the rifle), though the ATF paid Mr.
Kiernicki 'an undisclosed amount of money' to testify against Mr. Olofson at trial," Savage said.

Got anything on the case from a reliable source of information? WorldNutDaily is expecting the rapture any second now...they're nuts.

[Ryan Stewart]

Interesting considering I posted proof about what you said doesn't happen. Odd eh...

Clarify, because I didnt say shit about something happening. That is the problem, for some reason you cant understand my posts.

Of course straw sales happen. I seriously doubt, though, that the mafia and gang members are being supplied from straw sales. And straw sales are still illegal. THEY ARE BANNED.

So you are saying we should add bans but you are proving that these restrictions dont work.

[Vedubin01]

Got anything on the case from a reliable source of information? WorldNutDaily is expecting the rapture any second now...they're nuts.

You can read every post by the source itself on AR15.com

Ryan Stewart

Straw purchases do happen to supply gangs and mafia. If its for trade for drugs or just to gain firepower. It does happen though....

[Ryan Stewart]

Straw purchases do happen to supply gangs and mafia. If its for trade for drugs or just to gain firepower. It does happen though....

Oh Im sure it can happen, but its not their source. I can easily cite my records, the only crime traced back to a gun that was sold by us across the whole US was a crime of passion.

Straw purchases still involve a NICS check and a papertrail. Its a shitty way to obtain a gun because they guy filling out the paperwork is going to be at the top of the shit list once the gun is found. Can you trust him to not roll on you?

The VAST majority of the guns are either stolen or imported illegally. That way they have no paper trail.

[Vedubin01]

see face to face deals are not recorded. And who is to say that the guy that purchased the gun, did not say he sold that gun many moons ago?

Again catch 22. Guns are meant not to be recorded unless purchased from a dealer. The Constitution 2nd amendment was written so that the people of the states could form a a ground of men ages 18 to 45 I think "dont quote me" to fight up. If government knew where the guns were being kept, they could round them up and disarm the people, leaving them helpless to defend themselves.

In a since you are both right, just pulling hairs!

[joshh]

Oh Im sure it can happen, but its not their source. I can easily cite my records, the only crime traced back to a gun that was sold by us across the whole US was a crime of passion.

Straw purchases still involve a NICS check and a papertrail. Its a shitty way to obtain a gun because they guy filling out the paperwork is going to be at the top of the shit list once the gun is found. Can you trust him to not roll on you?

The VAST majority of the guns are either stolen or imported illegally. That way they have no paper trail.

And you obviously didn't read anything I posted. Now let's see these so called sources of yours.