Texas State Board of Education approves Bible course for high schools

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  • Maluco
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    • Oct 2005
    • 6572

    #1

    Texas State Board of Education approves Bible course for high schools

    Good stuff although I agree leaving it up to the schools to design the class is off. Defintely need something in there to render lawsuits useless.



    04:56 PM CDT on Friday, July 18, 2008
    By TERRENCE STUTZ / The Dallas Morning News


    AUSTIN – The State Board of Education on Friday gave final approval to a rule establishing an elective Bible course for high schools, but the panel rejected the arguments of some members and key lawmakers – and left it up to local school districts to design the classes.

    Board members approved the new class to be offered in high schools beginning this fall although state officials are still awaiting an opinion from the attorney general on whether the state law authorizing the course requires all school districts to make it available to students.

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    Link: Texas State Board of Education
    Among those who urged the board to issue specific guidelines for the class was Rep. Scott Hochberg, D-Houston, who helped write the 2007 law. Mr. Hochberg warned that without specific guidance from the state, some schools would run afoul of the First Amendment requirement of religious neutrality for such classes.


    “Let’s go forward and do this right and not let the lawyers tell us what we have to do,” Mr. Hochberg asked the board, citing the possibility of lawsuits if all school districts design their own courses.

    “My interest is keeping the focus on teaching kids and spending less money on lawsuits.”

    His position was backed by other members of the House Public Education Committee, which drafted the law.

    But a majority of board members, including all seven aligned with social conservatives, said they preferred to adopt a general rule now and not get into the specifics of what will be taught in the classes.

    “It’s better for us to go ahead and do something now,” said board member Cynthia Dunbar, R-Richmond. “We have met the requirements of the legislation. We don’t want to stifle what they (school districts) are doing in classrooms.”

    The rule was adopted on a 10-5 vote, which allows the course to be put in place in high schools for the 2008-09 school year. If there had been less than a two-thirds vote, the course would have been delayed until the fall of 2009.

    Attorney General Greg Abbott has told the board that while the state standards for the Bible class appear to be in compliance with the First Amendment, his office can’t guarantee that the courses taught in high schools will be constitutional because they haven’t been reviewed.

    Critics contend that the board standards for the course are so vague and general that many schools might unknowingly create unconstitutional Bible classes that either promote the religious views of teachers or disparage the religious beliefs of some students.

    Earlier this year, the Ector County school board agreed to quit using a Bible course curriculum at two high schools in Odessa that the American Civil Liberties Union said promoted Protestant religious beliefs not shared by Jews, Catholics, Orthodox Christians and many Protestants.

  • Farbin Kaiber
    Lil' Puppet
    • Jul 2007
    • 29502

    #2
    Humans need to stop trying to put all the services they need into one handy building. You can't live your life thru the concepts of a shopping mall.

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    • Turf1600
      R3V OG
      • Nov 2006
      • 9815

      #3
      Bullshit. Religion belongs at home.
      "We praise or find fault, depending on which of the two provides more opportunity for our powers of judgement to shine."

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      • Aptyp
        R3V OG
        • Feb 2008
        • 6584

        #4
        D-A-M-N

        Well, I guess teaching intelligent design is out of question. But i think it's a good thing. The more they preach bible along with science and math, the less effective religion will be.

        I took humanities in high school, and that class had a lot to do with world religions, and I am am willing to bet, that after class not even 5% of us go to church.

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        • Maluco
          R3V OG
          • Oct 2005
          • 6572

          #5
          ^ I don't think it's that simple. It has alot to do with how people are raised, what they truly believe. I don't understand how science doesn't allow for God and/or versa-vice? If you guys care, "The Language of God" by Francis S Collins is an amazing read.

          From Publishers Weekly
          Collins, a pioneering medical geneticist who once headed the Human Genome Project, adapts his title from President Clinton's remarks announcing completion of the first phase of the project in 2000: "Today we are learning the language in which God created life." Collins explains that as a Christian believer, "the experience of sequencing the human genome, and uncovering this most remarkable of all texts, was both a stunning scientific achievement and an occasion of worship." This marvelous book combines a personal account of Collins's faith and experiences as a genetics researcher with discussions of more general topics of science and spirituality, especially centering around evolution. Following the lead of C.S. Lewis, whose Mere Christianity was influential in Collins's conversion from atheism, the book argues that belief in a transcendent, personal God—and even the possibility of an occasional miracle—can and should coexist with a scientific picture of the world that includes evolution. Addressing in turn fellow scientists and fellow believers, Collins insists that "science is not threatened by God; it is enhanced" and "God is most certainly not threatened by science; He made it all possible." Collins's credibility as a scientist and his sincerity as a believer make for an engaging combination, especially for those who, like him, resist being forced to choose between science and God. (July 17)
          Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

          From Publishers Weekly
          Collins, a pioneering medical geneticist who once headed the Human Genome Project, adapts his title from President Clinton's remarks announcing completion of the first phase of the project in 2000: "Today we are learning the language in which God created life." Collins explains that as a Christian believer, "the experience of sequencing the human genome, and uncovering this most remarkable of all texts, was both a stunning scientific achievement and an occasion of worship." This marvelous book combines a personal account of Collins's faith and experiences as a genetics researcher with discussions of more general topics of science and spirituality, especially centering around evolution. Following the lead of C.S. Lewis, whose Mere Christianity was influential in Collins's conversion from atheism, the book argues that belief in a transcendent, personal God—and even the possibility of an occasional miracle—can and should coexist with a scientific picture of the world that includes evolution. Addressing in turn fellow scientists and fellow believers, Collins insists that "science is not threatened by God; it is enhanced" and "God is most certainly not threatened by science; He made it all possible." Collins's credibility as a scientist and his sincerity as a believer make for an engaging combination, especially for those who, like him, resist being forced to choose between science and God. (July 17)
          Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

          From Scientific American
          A devoutly Christian geneticist such as Francis S. Collins, author of The Language of God and leader of the Human Genome Project, can comfortably accept that "a common ancestor for humans and mice is virtually inescapable" or that it may have been a mutation in the FOXP2 gene that led to the flowering of human language. The genetic code is, after all, "God’s instruction book." But what sounds like a harmless metaphor can restrict the intellectual bravado that is essential to science. "In my view," Collins goes on to say, "DNA sequence alone, even if accompanied by a vast trove of data on biological function, will never explain certain special human attributes, such as the knowledge of the Moral Law and the universal search for God." Evolutionary explanations have been proffered for both these phenomena. Whether they are right or wrong is not a matter of belief but a question to be approached scientifically. The idea of an apartheid of two separate but equal metaphysics may work as a psychological coping mechanism, a way for a believer to get through a day at the lab. But theism and materialism don’t stand on equal footings. The assumption of materialism is fundamental to science.

          BTW. Francis S Collins: Francis S. Collins (born April 14, 1950), M.D., Ph.D., is an American physician-geneticist, noted for his landmark discoveries of disease genes, and his leadership of the Human Genome Project (HGP). He will be director of the National Human Genome Research Institute (NHGRI), one of the 27 institutes and centers that make up the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland until August 1, 2008 (he announced his resignation on May 28, 2008).

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          • Farbin Kaiber
            Lil' Puppet
            • Jul 2007
            • 29502

            #6
            So is, “There Is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind” By Anthony Flew. I only have an issue with it being in school, not it being.

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            • Turf1600
              R3V OG
              • Nov 2006
              • 9815

              #7
              This law will be reversed. No questions asked. This is not a christian country.
              "We praise or find fault, depending on which of the two provides more opportunity for our powers of judgement to shine."

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              • s0urce
                R3VLimited
                • Dec 2004
                • 2933

                #8
                HAHAHA this is funny. Stupid texans...
                tasty

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                • z31maniac
                  I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 17566

                  #9
                  Did anyone even read a few lines into that? It's an elective.

                  I'm not religious in any way, shape or form, in fact I think religion is a tool used to control/manipulate those to pathetic to think for themselves. But if they aren't forcing it on people I don't really care.
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                  • Maluco
                    R3V OG
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 6572

                    #10
                    Originally posted by s0urce
                    HAHAHA this is funny. Stupid texans...
                    Perhaps you could elaborate gay californian...

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                    • Turf1600
                      R3V OG
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 9815

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Maluco
                      Perhaps you could elaborate gay californian...
                      Come on man. The most ridiculous things hapen in texas due to the amount of fundies here. Wives getting run over, families getting murdered my crazy moms, strange religious compounds. This is the reddest state there is - if something outrageous and religion oriented happens it's probably in texas. Let's face it, this state isn't full of free thinkers.
                      "We praise or find fault, depending on which of the two provides more opportunity for our powers of judgement to shine."

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                      • Maluco
                        R3V OG
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 6572

                        #12
                        Originally posted by z31maniac
                        Did anyone even read a few lines into that? It's an elective.

                        I'm not religious in any way, shape or form, in fact I think religion is a tool used to control/manipulate those to pathetic to think for themselves. But if they aren't forcing it on people I don't really care.
                        Exactly and also fuck yourself for considering me and my family to+o pathetic to think for ourselves. Too pathetic to think for themselves... That's hilarious. I'm the first one to throw words around but when making such statements......... eh, wtf.

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                        • Maluco
                          R3V OG
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 6572

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Turf1600
                          Come on man. The most ridiculous things hapen in texas due to the amount of fundies here. Wives getting run over, families getting murdered my crazy moms, strange religious compounds. This is the reddest state there is - if something outrageous and religion oriented happens it's probably in texas. Let's face it, this state isn't full of free thinkers.
                          you are kidding, right?

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                          • Turf1600
                            R3V OG
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 9815

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Maluco
                            you are kidding, right?
                            No. Why are you so sensitive about this?
                            "We praise or find fault, depending on which of the two provides more opportunity for our powers of judgement to shine."

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                            • Aptyp
                              R3V OG
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 6584

                              #15
                              Sensitive subject for Maluco. Must have been an altar boy in his youth.

                              JK, don't throw a hissy fit, and there are plenty of books out there. Christopher Hutchins has an awesome book too, didn't see you mention it ("God is not Great")

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