Church and State - Time to bring back together?

[TwoJ's]

I greatly respect this statement. I hope I never come across as one of those "Christians". I assume and hope that you continue this across the general consensus of most Christians everywhere and not generalize the entire church behind one nut-job or whako that claims to be a Christian.

Yeah, I really do see through some of the people who claim to be christian, but in no way behave like it. I know quite a few people like that.

And I was raised a christian. I went to church weekly, and my mom, step dad and sister still do. But, the more curious I got and the more I learned, my beliefs were adjusted. I do not resent, or disrespect them for their beliefs. We understand that we believe different things, and we may or may not be right. In fact, my step dad has a degree in religious studies and I often have discussions with him about our differing opinions and he points out some very insightful things.

[Turf1600]

You guys probably know how I feel about it.

EDIT: Oh, and the majority of our founding fathers were deists. It was popular among the intellectuals of the time.

[Farbin Kaiber]

I think the problem is that there are also some "Christians" around here that post completely outrageous claims and attempt to back their ideas with religious justification. People, including myself, will reply to those individuals accordingly, but I do not think that they represent Christianity by any means.

Around here being the US, or r3v? And whom do you mean?

[TwoJ's]

Around here being the US, or r3v? And whom do you mean?

In this case I was speaking specifically about r3v, but it holds true for the US, and any sample population for that matter. I was not talking about you though, I can see that you think rationally and have well founded opinions.

I was talking about people who say things like this:

i cant wait until my 325is evolves into a m3, how long do i need to wait for that to happen? or perhaps the house i've been meaning to build will just pull itself together? evolution makes perfect sense

This guy totally denies evolution. A complete denial of well known and understood science on a basis of religion doesn't make any sense to me.

Just out of curiosity, what is your stance on evolutionary theory Farbin?

[BMWDriver]

This thread is going to be a slug fest, seeing that most on here are atheist. But looking back and most should agree, that society has regressed the more that religion has been removed from society.

these are the symptoms of corporate greed taking over.

i dont think church and state need to reunite i think the govt should not be controlled by corporate interests (or church interests) but what people want from their govt not what there church should provide, and less based on federal govt, if the southern states want more church in there schools then let them, i think ultimately things would find a more natural balance regionally

although i think the radical evangelical church have become much more perdominate then they were 2 - 3 hundred years ago

[Farbin Kaiber]

Well, I more subscribe to the beliefs that tons of shit in this world, and life, is going to be an assortment of so much random data. We as humans are going to find little boxes to place varied little chunks of whatever data we receive (taught, learned, told, seen, etc.) and go with those boxes to understand everything else. Using the system we have to base everything else, and in effect form a group intelligence with everyone else's boxes of data.

I know there is scientific proof that this, that and the other thing, at one time was something else, and that science/proof shows this to have a solid footing/basis. (evolution)

I know that 13.7 billion years ago, it is plausible that an explosion of matter smaller than the size of a dime exploded with such force and ability to have created the cosmos. Again, scientific theory shows this to be, well theory. Maybe next week they will be on their way to proving that at CERN.
(Big Bang)

I know, ~6.5-4.5 billion years ago, science shows this planet was formed, things did stuff, blah, blah, blah, we know the drill. and that leads into today, where we have tried to take whatever tools we have made now, and use them to define events and things that have happened.
(Proof against Christian thought of 4-6k old planet earth)

I can't, and will not be as close minded a human being as to assume that these things can be held in truth.

I think that my spiritual beliefs do not have any need to use any of those above facts to define, or deny the ability for my beliefs to be founded. I feel that my religious stance can stand within the contexts of the above statements. Many of my past posts regarding religion have given theories that allow the two to coexist.

So, sure, I guess evolutionary events occurred in the way things go.

[Farbin Kaiber]

i dont think church and state need to reunite i think the govt should not be controlled by corporate interests (or church interests) but what people want, and less based on federal govt, if the southern states want more church in there schools then let them, i think ultimately things would find a more natural balance regionally

although i think the radical evangelical church have become much more perdominate then they were 2 - 3 hundred years ago

x MotherFluckin 2 in bold.

-1 in underline. Think inquisition/witch hunts/etc

[eric (^__^)]

last time I checked Church and State were pretty good buddies.

This thread is more than a little silly.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Thats the problem, and issue at hand. That, and them attempting to become "special" buddies.

[eric (^__^)]

Agreed. True Christians would remove their faith from the equation.

Even the bible talks of government being a separate entity that should be respected. That's not exactly tooting your own horn.

[Aptyp]

Farbin, you're an idiot.

There's a place for these kinds of threads. R3v isn't it. Go an post on Yahoo.

Should BMW bring religion and automaking together? Build a car that runs on faith?


I swear, if this was communism, I would turn you in so "politburo" could put you out of your old misery with a bullet in the back of your head.

[Aptyp]

yeah, i would not sell alcohol on mondays

[Farbin Kaiber]

Agreed. True Christians would remove their faith from the equation.

Even the bible talks of government being a separate entity that should be respected. That's not exactly tooting your own horn.

Yeah, there is a reference in the bible that Christians use that is a story of Jesus going and tossing the "Moneychangers" out of the temple. A concept that can ring true today. Certain things simply do not belong together, like seafood and cheese, liquor after beer, etc.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Farbin, you're an idiot.

There's a place for these kinds of threads. R3v isn't it. Go an post on Yahoo.

Should BMW bring religion and automaking together? Build a car that runs on faith?


I swear, if this was communism, I would turn you in so "politburo" could put you out of your old misery with a bullet in the back of your head.

Oh sorry, I forgot this is OT. Next time I'll post this kind of stuff in a regional subforum. I also, have no idea why you are bringing BMW's into an off topic. This is free space, and nobody is building a car on Lithuanian amortizer levels of anything.

[LEANE30]

Farbin, you're an idiot.

There's a place for these kinds of threads. R3v isn't it. Go an post on Yahoo.

Should BMW bring religion and automaking together? Build a car that runs on faith?


I swear, if this was communism, I would turn you in so "politburo" could put you out of your old misery with a bullet in the back of your head.

they already did: