A dem's view of the welfare system=rant.

[der affe]

wow! i have been saying that for a LONG time! ^^^^^^^
although sometimes i just say "you can't have a butt baby"
i could never figure out why people in a bad financial situation have kids when they can't afford them. if you have them and fall on hard times that is another thing altogether though

[chrisesteschiro]

I dont see why alot of people that pay taxes have to take take a drug test to work to earn money that goes to people whom dont have to pass a drug test to get your money.

[2Big4a3Series]

That's a good point!

Manditory drug testing for welfare recipients might stir up enough controversey to get the ACLU involved but I would consider it to be a way to "level" the playing field between those who work and those who dont.

If they don't have a job, what else are they doing to occupy their day? Even though they might not be employable, still make them do the same things that the working people have to do.. like make them show up at the welfare office at 8:30 every morning. They won't have to hang around. Just make them clock in and clock out every day. Oversleep if you want to.. we'll just doc you a half-day's worth of benefits if you show up late. Forget to clock in and/or out and you will lose an entire day's worth.

[Funkmasta]

I don't pass judgements. Or at least sure try not to. When I met my wife, the state helped her to pay for child care, and received food vouchers.
She was a single mom, with a 4 year old, with a low paying job, living in an area with few jobs. And lived on her own, own apartment, etc.

She received 60bucks per week for daycare, and like 150/month for food. HOWEVER as soon as she got a job that even to me was mediocre at best (10/hr) she had her help decreased to NO daycare, and TEN DOLLARS per month for food........I'm not down for any of this shit if you don't have to have it so I had already told her before we moved in together etc, to be done with that I would help her out.......

A single mom, trying to make it on her own. And was trying fucking hard too.....



So today (She works sat so had fri off, I'm working 4 days per week) we go to an Aldi grocery store-discount grocery store, I'm sure there are other stores like it. You bag yourself etc.

There is a couple in front of us in there probably low 40's, VERY well dressed with probably 200 dollars of groceries, that cost them 4 fucking dollars. The rest went on there bridge card-food vouchers.......We bag our stuff and go out to the car and they are tooling in a VERY nice F250 4 door truck with a V10........


Something is fucked up with the welfare system. I really think that some people do need help. But some are just fucking lazy and have SOME HOW figured out how to manipulate the system.......It's mother fuckers like that today that give conservatives ammunition.----and after today I realize rightfully so.

Drugs. Tax the petty shit, and enforce the bad stuff.

[Hallen]

How about you do like me and put a rubber on until you can afford to raise a child and not look for other peoples money to help raise the child you decided to have.

LOL, shit happens, son. Unless you practice abstinence through buttsex or something, babies happen. You don't necessarily plan it, and you do still slap on the armor before going in, but it still happens. It happened to me.

The question is how you man up afterwards. My son still lives with me. I have provided for him all his life. I didn't walk away. It was hard, there were tough times, but we made it. Best investment I ever made even considering I don't ever expect a return on it.

My point was that families do start young at times and you may not have planned them. Some assistance for day care in situations like that is an overall benefit to society because parents take care of their kids, not the system, and those same parents can in a very short period of time become self-sustaining and give back to society. Until you have a kid, you have no fucking idea how expensive and time consuming it is. The best thing is to wait until you are both emotionally and financially able to deal with it. But that doesn't always work out.

Anyway, your point is correct. Either zip it or clip it or bag it until you are very ready to have kids. Irresponsibility in that area is not something to mess with.