McCain and Obama's tax plans laid out in a graph

[rwh11385]

The problem is clowns like you who refuse to acknowledge the glut of extenuating circumstances standing between you and your Utopian vision of unfettered hands-off capitalist glory. A good amount of those circumstances can be traced back to the current administration in some way, shape or form.

Prove it. Put that worthless degree of yours to use.

[rwh11385]

I do favor more government control. Too bad that relates to fascist Germany for most people.

The people that need help are those that truly cannot help themselves. My aunt runs a mental care/ elderly home and I am friends with several doctors that help care for these people. Americans brush those in need off to the side while being worried about getting their's.

WHAT ... IS ... WRONG ... WITH ... YOU?

Believing that people is stupid and the government should run things for them is absolutely moronic. That 1) encourages people not to think for themselves anymore 2) removes incentive to try to achieve 3) assumes politicians are not morons themselves

Plenty of Americans give to support and help those in need. They don't need forced re-distribution either. (but 503's don't hurt). The people who don't help others are usually those too busy focusing on how the government can work for them.

[eurostyl e30]

Prove it. Put that worthless degree of yours to use.

Hide behind your speeding ticket to layoffville and keep talking trash.

[rwh11385]

thanks for the insight, milton friedman? why am i getting financial prophecy from a cs rep at car accessory company? someone who has never even made over $100k, let alone has the earning potential to do so in the future.

ben, let's go light a pile of hundo's on fire. i'll bring the smores.

Don't you have office hours to discuss 1960 Russian diplomacy?

Or supposed to be doing blow off a hooker's rump now?

[rwh11385]

Hide behind your speeding ticket to layoffville and keep talking trash.

So you got nothing?

[Wiglaf]

11.5% & 8.7% are huge increases! That's crazy. A lot of people will be getting laid off.

I think this is a BS point of view. Well, maybe more of a misconception. This chart is personal income, it doesn't say anything about how companies will be taxed. It is NOT the same as the owner's income tax.

what you are saying is that the CEO himself paying higher income tax will directly result in layoffs, when it is really more like an attempt to lower the paygrade gap to only 100x what the lower man on the totem pole makes..

This might be construed as a socialist point of view, but keep in mind that such huge gaps in paygrade is a trend that has exponentially worsened in the last 20 years. It is not helping us.

[Das Boots]

"Time to pay up...It is the patriotic way." "Spread the wealth."

[rwh11385]

Wait..... but thats happening now.




Mariano

You think unskilled labor is worth being used here with higher minimum wages and high corporate taxes? (when they can be outsourced for cheap)

If people want to keep jobs here, they need to be paid what they are worth (not artificially increasing wage expense) and it needs to be profitable to even have a business here (20-25% corp tax rate).

[kylebes1]

WHAT ... THE ... FUCK ... IS ... WRONG ... WITH ... YOU?

Believing that people is stupid and the government should run things for them is absolutely moronic. That 1) encourages people not to think for themselves anymore 2) removes incentive to try to achieve 3) assumes politicians are not fucking morons themselves

You're a fucking idiot. Plenty of Americans give to support and help those in need. They don't need forced re-distribution either. (but 503's don't hurt). The people who don't help others are usually those too busy focusing on how the government can work for them.

I think you are blind to reality. You cannot see the scum collecting under your throne from such a high perch.

Just because the government has control does not mean it has absolute control. republicans strip government of control completely and dems often over regulate. Find the things that matter most and take care of those. This will not destroy the capitalism (better known as your loss is my gain) way of life you must cling to with fervor.

Your assaults on the board member's opinions discredits any thing that you may assert. I think you should rethink your reactions my friend.

[rwh11385]

keep in mind that such huge gaps in paygrade is a trend that has exponentially worsened in the last 20 years. It is not helping us.

Is someone who is unskilled any more valuable than 20 years ago?

[eurostyl e30]

So you got nothing?

You got me in a corner Heeter! I have N O T H I N G! Where do you want me to mail your trophy for winning the internet?

You've got an opinion, that's great. But I've been around here long enough to know that you'll smell your own farts as long as we let you, and there's really no point in arguing with you.

Just realize that the United States of Heeter where everyone goes to college and 'works hard' before coming home and quoting Deborah Stone at the dinner table is not possible at this moment; it will never be possible under a GOP administration with a similar outlook as our current administration, barring some miracle salve that cures socioeconomic disparities in this country FO FREE.

[kylebes1]

I think this is a BS point of view. Well, maybe more of a misconception. This chart is personal income, it doesn't say anything about how companies will be taxed. It is NOT the same as the owner's income tax.

what you are saying is that the CEO himself paying higher income tax will directly result in layoffs, when it is really more like an attempt to lower the paygrade gap to only 100x what the lower man on the totem pole makes..

This might be construed as a socialist point of view, but keep in mind that such huge gaps in paygrade is a trend that has exponentially worsened in the last 20 years. It is not helping us.

I am with you. People look at percentages and even real values. Neither of these, including the graph linked, take into account a comfortable standard of living that bottom earners cannot afford, but instead fuel the opulent excess the top earners enjoy.

[speedhop]

I love Heeter...

Edit: This is the official warm fuzzy of the thread.

[rwh11385]

You got me in a corner Heeter! I have N O T H I N G! Where do you want me to mail your trophy for winning the internet?

You've got an opinion, that's great. But I've been around here long enough to know that you'll smell your own farts as long as we let you, and there's really no point in arguing with you.

Just realize that the United States of Heeter where everyone goes to college and 'works hard' before coming home and quoting Deborah Stone at the dinner table is not possible at this moment; it will never be possible under a GOP administration with a similar outlook as our current administration, barring some miracle salve that cures socioeconomic disparities in this country FO FREE.

That's what I thought.

On noes, what's the liberal academic going to say? That the nation will be better off with redistribution of wealth from those who worked hard for it to those who do not care to take the same responsibility? Great idea there comrade. Go hit those books and maybe you can tutor someone for European history and be of use.

Not everyone has to go to college, but people should realize they are worth what they are worth and become of some value to the nation and know their value in the world.... not simply wait for someone to scoop them up and make them successful. There are risks to making certain choices in life and people have to deal with those, not have the government make them go away. It's not the government's responsibility to determine who is too successful, like they want to do with oil companies, and punish them for doing well. If you want to punish success, you will simply encourage the status quo or failure. It does not matter if you slack off, don't try, or don't care if the government is going to bail you out.

[CorvallisBMW]

Poor, poor Heeter. He just doesn't realize that his Utopian vision of hands-off capitalism and unicorns and smiling babies doesn't exist. The world isn't a perfect, self-balancing and self-regulating place. It doesn't work like that, and apparently everyone knows it but you. So put down the econ book from the 19th century and join reality :)