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    Study: Many Teens Overconfident, Have 'Wildly' Unrealistic Expectations

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20081112...withselfesteem

    WEDNESDAY, Nov. 12 (HealthDay News) -- Today's American high school students are far likelier than those in the 1970s to believe they'll make outstanding spouses, parents and workers, new research shows.
    They're also much more likely to claim they are "A" students with high IQs -- even though other research shows that today's students do less homework than their counterparts did in the 1970s.
    The findings, published in the November issue of Psychological Science, support the idea that the "self-esteem" movement popular among today's parents and teachers may have gone too far, the study's co-author said.
    "What this shows is that confidence has crossed over into overconfidence," said Jean Twenge, an associate professor of psychology at San Diego State University.
    She believes that decades of relentless, uncritical boosterism by parents and school systems may be producing a generation of kids with expectations that are out of sync with the challenges of the real world.
    "High school students' responses have crossed over into a really unrealistic realm, with three-fourths of them expecting performance that's effectively in the top 20 percent," Twenge said.
    For the study, she and co-researcher W. Keith Campbell, of the University of Georgia, pored over data from the Monitoring the Future study, a large national survey of thousands of U.S. high school students conducted periodically over the past three decades.
    The researchers compared the answers kids gave in 1975 and 2006 to 13 questions centered on students' "self-views." These questions solicited students' opinions on such things as how smart they thought they were, or how likely they were to be successful as adults.
    "When we look at the responses of the students in the '70s, they are certainly confident that they are going to perform well, but their responses are more modest, a little more realistic" than teens in 2006, Twenge said.
    For example, in 1975, less than 37 percent of teens thought they'd be "very good" spouses, compared to more than 56 percent of those surveyed in 2006. Likewise, the number of students who thought they'd become "very good" parents rose from less than 36 percent in 1975 to more than 54 percent in 2006. And almost two-thirds of teens in 2006 thought they'd be exemplary workers, compared to about half of those polled in 1975.
    As for self-reported academic achievement, twice as many students in 2006 than in 1976 said they earned an "A" average in high school -- 15.6 percent vs. 7.7 percent, the report found.
    Compared to their counterparts from the '70s, today's youth also tended to rate themselves as more intelligent and were more likely to say they were "completely satisfied" with themselves.
    There was one exception -- measures of "self-competency" (i.e., agreeing with statements such as, "I am able to do things as well as most other people") did not rise between 1976 and 2006. According to Twenge, that may mean that young people continue to feel great self-worth even as they remain unsure of their competence in specific tasks.
    Twenge stressed that youthful confidence isn't necessarily bad. "Young people have always had some degree of starry-eyed optimism, and that's probably a good thing," she said. "And setting goals for yourself is a good thing. It's just when those goals are wildly unrealistic, then that can cause trouble for everyone."
    For example, young people entering the workforce may score well in job interviews if they exude self-confidence, she said, but that can quickly sour if a new employer doesn't provide them with the perks or promotions they feel they deserve. "They don't set the right goals for themselves, because they are overconfident -- and that's when it blows up in their face," Twenge said.
    The blame for all this may lie with well-intentioned adults, she suggested.
    "These kids didn't raise themselves, they got these ideas from somewhere," Twenge said. With Mom and Dad handing out endless praise, kids today readily believe they are somehow superior, she said. And teachers aren't blameless, either: According to Twenge, research shows that high school teachers now give out an "A" grade more easily than their counterparts did in the 1970s, even though today's high school students report doing less homework than students from that era.
    Not everyone interpreted the new findings in the same way, however. Jennifer Crocker is a professor of psychology at the University of Michigan and a longtime researcher in self-esteem. She said that by selecting data from 1975 and 2006, Twenge and Campbell have only presented two moments in time and have not shown evidence of any decades-long trend.
    And based on available academic data, today's young Americans might be right to be more self-confident, Crocker argued.
    "The fact is that we are all getting smarter -- IQ is going up quite dramatically over this same period of time," Crocker noted. "Students may believe that they are getting trained better than they used to, that they are learning skills that they didn't use to have. So, maybe their predictions aren't unreasonable."
    But Twenge, who is the author of a book on young people's self-views called Generation Me, isn't convinced. In fact, she believes that today's parents may be sending another crop of young Americans down the same path.
    "I have a 2-year-old daughter," she said. "I see the parenting of kids around her age, and I haven't seen this changing. Look around -- about a fourth of the clothing available to her says 'Little Princess' on it."
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    Put that one and this one together and see what you get.



    Tolerance fails T-shirt test
    By John Kass | Chicago Tribune Columnist
    12:12 PM EST, November 13, 2008

    Catherine Vogt, 14, conducted an experiment in political tolerance at her Oak Park middle school and learned some valuable lessons. (Tribune photo by Nuccio DiNuzzo / November 12, 2008)

    As the media keeps gushing on about how America has finally adopted tolerance as the great virtue, and that we're all united now, let's consider the Brave Catherine Vogt Experiment.

    Catherine Vogt, 14, is an Illinois 8th grader, the daughter of a liberal mom and a conservative dad. She wanted to conduct an experiment in political tolerance and diversity of opinion at her school in the liberal suburb of Oak Park.

    She noticed that fellow students at Gwendolyn Brooks Middle School overwhelmingly supported Barack Obama for president. His campaign kept preaching "inclusion," and she decided to see how included she could be.

    So just before the election, Catherine consulted with her history teacher, then bravely wore a unique T-shirt to school and recorded the comments of teachers and students in her journal. The T-shirt bore the simple yet quite subversive words drawn with a red marker:

    "McCain Girl."

    "I was just really curious how they'd react to something that different, because a lot of people at my school wore Obama shirts and they are big Obama supporters," Catherine told us. "I just really wanted to see what their reaction would be."

    Immediately, Catherine learned she was stupid for wearing a shirt with Republican John McCain's name. Not merely stupid. Very stupid.

    "People were upset. But they started saying things, calling me very stupid, telling me my shirt was stupid and I shouldn't be wearing it," Catherine said.

    Then it got worse.

    "One person told me to go die. It was a lot of dying. A lot of comments about how I should be killed," Catherine said, of the tolerance in Oak Park.

    But students weren't the only ones surprised that she wore a shirt supporting McCain.

    "In one class, I had one teacher say she will not judge me for my choice, but that she was surprised that I supported McCain," Catherine said.

    If Catherine was shocked by such passive-aggressive threats from instructors, just wait until she goes to college.

    "Later, that teacher found out about the experiment and said she was embarrassed because she knew I was writing down what she said," Catherine said.

    One student suggested that she be put up on a cross for her political beliefs.

    "He said, 'You should be crucifixed.' It was kind of funny because, I was like, don't you mean 'crucified?' " Catherine said.

    Other entries in her notebook involved suggestions by classmates that she be "burned with her shirt on" for "being a filthy-rich Republican."

    Some said that because she supported McCain, by extension she supported a plan by deranged skinheads to kill Obama before the election. And I thought such politicized logic was confined to American newsrooms. Yet Catherine refused to argue with her peers. She didn't want to jeopardize her experiment.

    "I couldn't show people really what it was for. I really kind of wanted to laugh because they had no idea what I was doing," she said.

    Only a few times did anyone say anything remotely positive about her McCain shirt. One girl pulled her aside in a corner, out of earshot of other students, and whispered, "I really like your shirt."

    That's when you know America is truly supportive of diversity of opinion, when children must whisper for fear of being ostracized, heckled and crucifixed.

    The next day, in part 2 of The Brave Catherine Vogt Experiment, she wore another T-shirt, this one with "Obama Girl" written in blue. And an amazing thing happened.

    Catherine wasn't very stupid anymore. She grew brains.

    "People liked my shirt. They said things like my brain had come back, and I had put the right shirt on today," Catherine said.

    Some students accused her of playing both sides.

    "A lot of people liked it. But some people told me I was a flip-flopper," she said. "They said, 'You can't make up your mind. You can't wear a McCain shirt one day and an Obama shirt the next day.' "

    But she sure did, and she turned her journal into a report for her history teacher, earning Catherine extra credit. We asked the teacher, Norma Cassin-Pountney, whether it was ironic that Catherine would be subject to such intolerance from pro-Obama supporters in a community that prides itself on its liberal outlook.

    "That's what we discussed," Cassin-Pountney said about the debate in the classroom when the experiment was revealed. "I said, here you are, promoting this person [Obama] that believes we are all equal and included, and look what you've done? The students were kind of like, 'Oh, yeah.' I think they got it."

    Catherine never told us which candidate she would have voted for if she weren't an 8th grader. But she said she learned what it was like to be in the minority.

    "Just being on the outside, how it felt, it was not fun at all," she said.

    Don't ever feel as if you must conform, Catherine. Being on the outside isn't so bad. Trust me.

    jskass@tribune.com

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      #3
      I could have told ya that. Nice to see it's getting more publicity though.
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        #4
        I was not one of these starry-eyed teens. I was unrealistically pessimistic.
        Not that I care, of course.

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          #5
          Wow big surprise with both of those, I just cant wait till all of these kids get into the work force, it will be worse than it is now

          myslef I grew up on a farm in the middle of no where, I knew how things really were I knew where my place in the world was going to be an knew I was going to have to work my ass off for anything I was going to have. I knew that you dont get paid just for showing up or doing a shitty job.
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            #6
            Originally posted by eric (^__^) View Post
            I was not one of these starry-eyed teens. I was unrealistically pessimistic.
            Some how that doesn't surprise me. :-|
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              #7
              They are over-confident because we pump them full of so many damn pills that they don't know if its naturally or synthetic. I love hearing college kids with Poli-Sci majors talk about how much money they "are" going to make, same with business majors. Just pop some more pills, you little turd.
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                #8
                Originally posted by e30e View Post
                They are over-confident because we pump them full of so many damn pills that they don't know if its naturally or synthetic. I love hearing college kids with Poli-Sci majors talk about how much money they "are" going to make, same with business majors. Just pop some more pills, you little turd.
                You mean I wont get 6 figures right out of college?
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                  #9
                  Ya, I'm so glad my dad runs his own contracter business and made it a point to make me work for him in the summers, paid me shit wages and worked me 10hrs a day. It seriously puts things into perspective, sometimes I lose it being in college, then I talk to him and he verbally bitch slaps me.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by e30e View Post
                    They are over-confident because we pump them full of so many damn pills that they don't know if its naturally or synthetic. I love hearing college kids with Poli-Sci majors talk about how much money they "are" going to make, same with business majors. Just pop some more pills, you little turd.
                    I don't think it's the pills - I think it them being pampered. I was at cici's the other day and there were 2 soccer teams there. Probably like 4 or 5 year olds. Every kid left with an equal sized trophy. I wouldn't put my kids in a league like that. People don't understand that you have to work hard to win. Also, you sometimes lose. All of these kids are going to feel like they deserve a trophy just for being alive.
                    "We praise or find fault, depending on which of the two provides more opportunity for our powers of judgement to shine."

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                      #11
                      Reading this makes me glad I moved out after high school and learned be financially independent. Some stuff you just gotta learn on your own; and the earlier the better.

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                        #12
                        psloan, I think you are right.

                        I have coached my kids' sports teams for the past 10 years. One of my daughter's basketball leagues had a rule that everyone plays the exact same amount of time in the game - regardless of ability (ok, maybe), but also regardless of how much they came to practice, if at all. WTF?

                        Needless to say, we got the hell out of that league.

                        Another year, her baseball team (only girl in the league, starting shortstop on the all-star squad) was co-coached by me and another guy. He liked "feel good communist" baseball. He wanted to move the kids all over the field in the games. His theory, they all should try every position. We almost came to blows over it. The first two games, I let him do the lineup and manage the players in the field. We got our asses kicked.

                        I took over from there, and while I did my best to get everyone a decent amount of field time, we clearly had some A players who started at the core positions and played most, if not all, of the game. We went on to win every game out from that point. The kids who got stuck in the outfield most of the time told me that had more fun than if they were made to play a posiiton where they were afraid.

                        And I had more than one parent come bitching to me about why their kid was in left field. But one in particular, every game wanted to know why little Johnny wasn't at Shortstop. I told her to ask him if he had more fun in the games we lost or the game we won. She did. And he also told her that he was afraid of the ball and did not want to be in the infield.

                        These 8 year olds with a $300 iPod, and/or an iPhone, are absolutely coddled and will grow up to be worthless.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Turf1600 View Post
                          I don't think it's the pills - I think it them being pampered. I was at cici's the other day and there were 2 soccer teams there. Probably like 4 or 5 year olds. Every kid left with an equal sized trophy. I wouldn't put my kids in a league like that. People don't understand that you have to work hard to win. Also, you sometimes lose. All of these kids are going to feel like they deserve a trophy just for being alive.
                          Hate to break it to ya, I bet that league doesn't even keep score.

                          Agreed. My kids will never be a part of that kind of BS.
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                            #14
                            Yup. When my youngest played 5yo soccer, they did not keep score. You think those kids didn't want to know who won and lost? They did their best to keep count. Why suppress that?
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Dave View Post
                              These 8 year olds with a $300 iPod, and/or an iPhone, are absolutely coddled and will grow up to be worthless.
                              Visiting with some of the Woman's relatives this summer, their 7 & 10 year old daughters both had 400 dollar Iphones, as well as the 300+ dollar Ipod "video".

                              Why does a 7 year old have a cell phone?

                              Why does a 7 year old have a 400 dollar cell phone? My parents would have kicked my ass if I asked for something like that as a kid.

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