Isreal bomb Gaza, killing 195

[yoni]

Lee - like I just said, I am just a regular jew... I am not a Zionist ( lol ) nor do I think "my way or the highway" ...

I don't need to go watch your video - I lived there; with Jews and Arabs alike..

You keep saying how people are being close minded, and brainwashed by the media, and what not... and you are giving alternative media/videos to help support what you are saying..

It's pretty clear to me that you are the brainwashed one..
You haven't the slightest idea whats going on, other than your alternative media sources, what you see, and what you hear.

You are in FRENCH-CANADA - NOT THE MIDDLE EAST -

You don't know this, stuff, Lee... they don't teach this in the English Montreal School Board.

[Massive Lee]

So Yoni. I guess your point of view is pretty much biased (my guess is that you are another Zionist), and that it is your way or the wrong way...

Please, check the video. That might enlghten you...

[yoni]

You mean Palestinians. Right? Too bad they don't live there anymore, with Jewsih settlers having occupied their home....

So Yoni. Are you just a regular Jew (everyone is entitled to a religion, and any religion is okay), or are you Zionist and thinking that Arabs are worth less than an Israeli?

Lee -

You seem to really think you know what you are talking about... you don't.

I'm just a regular jew... no better, no worse, than anyone else.
I hate you all the same.. ;)

Seriously, though... you can talk and talk, and you are entitled to your opinions... but when you say "You mean Palestinians. Right? Too bad they don't live there anymore, with Jewsih settlers having occupied their home...." you make yourself seem far from educated.

Go read.

[yoni]

Well of course you are, you're a product of the American media, not willing to see that Israel is the aggressor.
Genicide their way of life. OH MY GOD!!!!!!

You're a serious fucking moron.

[Massive Lee]

speak to the people who call those places home..

You mean Palestinians. Right? Too bad they don't live there anymore, with Jewsih settlers having occupied their home....

So Yoni. Are you just a regular Jew (everyone is entitled to a religion, and any religion is okay), or are you Zionist and thinking that Arabs are worth less than an Israeli?

[yoni]

Everybody has an opinion -

Honestly... there isn't much place on an e30 forum for this topic..

Pretty much none of you know what you are talking about, with the exception of few..

I was born in Israel... I am Israeli.. My whole family still resides in Israel...

The issue isn't black and white.. and it's not as cut and dry as most of you seem to put it.

Go to Israel.. or to any of its surrounding countries... live there a while... speak to the people who call those places home..

[Massive Lee]

This is a fantastic documentary on how american perceptions on the conflict are formed:

Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14055.htm

Is it sympathetic to one side?

How many have checked this documentary? Is it sympathetic to one side? Not... It only presents what makes the vision that Americans see, and the journalistic and media process that twists perception.

Please, read this, instead of posting stupid poles.

TIA

Lee

[joshh]

Joshh since your the historian of the Jewish race.... please tell me what the Jews are trying to do in this so called war thats going on today? The Jewish bible and the Christian Bible of today is very similar as they share the old testament. It is one of the bloodiest books you would ever read if you ever took the time to read. Just like any Book of religion you are either for or against what ever religion your reading. But again please let me know what this war is about. What is going to be the outcome and what are the Jewish people trying to do?

Ah yes the ol "You're the know all, answer me this...." horseshit. Fact is you don't know what is going on over there. That is clear.
I've read it thanks. You should read it yourself.
You're hitting very closely to the slippery slope. Are you going to answer the question or not?

It's not about the "Jewish people", but you wouldn't know that because you only read and view the American media, which is plainly obvious. Many Jews want peace.
I can only speculate as to what Israel's military and the people is power that are allowing these crimes to go on are going to do.
What they have been doing is slowly taking all the land. And not allowing the Palestinians to have a life of their own.
If you'd do some research, you'd see that the way Israel is taking land makes no sense for it's own defense (not that it makes sense at all). Allowing Hamas and other groups to target Jews and Jewish "settlements" (stealing land).
Do you consider occupation offense or defense? Considering this occupation has gone on for well over 30 years.
Do you think the people of Palestine should have their land and boarders as the Israelis do?
Do the people of Palestine deserve the same as Israel?

Israel is playing a similar card to what they were delt in WWII with the Palestinians. Beyond the rounding up and gassing.
Now are you going to actually read any links that have been given to you?

[Vedubin01]

Joshh since your the historian of the Jewish race.... please tell me what the Jews are trying to do in this so called war thats going on today? The Jewish bible and the Christian Bible of today is very similar as they share the old testament. It is one of the bloodiest books you would ever read if you ever took the time to read. Just like any Book of religion you are either for or against what ever religion your reading. But again please let me know what this war is about. What is going to be the outcome and what are the Jewish people trying to do?

[joshh]

No one stole it, they were given the land by the unanimous decision of the world after WWII. The Jewish people date that land as far back as the Palestinian people. Its a war that has been fought since the beginning of time. I for one are for the Jewish people. And hope the Jews eradicate the people that are trying to genocide their way of life!

So they can take as much of that land as they want and displace as many people as they want? Even after being given only a portion of what they currently have taken (stolen in my view)?

With the justification that all those bad people they misplace are against them anyways and can be shat upon.

[joshh]

No one stole it, they were given the land by the unanimous decision of the world after WWII. The Jewish people date that land as far back as the Palestinian people. Its a war that has been fought since the beginning of time. I for one are for the Jewish people. And hope the Jews eradicate the people that are trying to genocide their way of life!

Well of course you are, you're a product of the American media, not willing to see that Israel is the aggressor.
Genicide their way of life. OH MY GOD!!!!!!

It's quite the opposite, but you have to be willing to actually see the view from the other side. Which you are obviously unwilling.
Israel is doing far more than just "eradicating the people that are trying to genicide their way of life"...they are controling an entire population and taking it over. Not just the real enemies. But shit, who cares they're "defending" themselves.

You didn't answer my question about the Jewish bible telling them how to treat people...

[joshh]

You have those in every army! Nothing new!

Does that make them wrong?

[Vedubin01]

Take it from Israeli soldiers.....


http://larouchepub.com/other/2002/2906idf_reserv.html

You have those in every army! Nothing new!

[Vedubin01]

So then you're now going to try to tell me the Tanakh tells the Jews to treat people this way?

Yes your argument has come down to the bottom of the barrel. So you've gone all the way from "Israel is just defending itself all the to "Sorry sucker, we stole it during a war...and we're going to continue to steal it". In the mean time it's ok that Israel is committing human rights crimes because they're really getting all those "bad guys".

No one stole it, they were given the land by the unanimous decision of the world after WWII. The Jewish people date that land as far back as the Palestinian people. Its a war that has been fought since the beginning of time. I for one are for the Jewish people. And hope the Jews eradicate the people that are trying to genocide their way of life!

[joshh]

Take it from Israeli soldiers.....

http://larouchepub.com/other/2002/2906idf_reserv.html