Isreal bomb Gaza, killing 195

[ZM Blue Devil]

War sucks. As long as private industry is making weapons there will be a war.

Both sides can post pics of people getting killed all day long. Who benefits is the question.

[bimmer_E30]

this is fucked, fuckin israel should stop this war, fuckin someone talk to those assholes.

[E30 Cabrio]

Are these Hammas? terrorists? these are just SOME of the many pics of innocent being killed....

Hamas is getting a lot of mileage out of exploiting those dead children:

[mrsleeve]

holy fuck this thread is still going, let it die already

[E30 Cabrio]

The NYTimes along with numerous other media outlets ran this picture and caption a while back:



What really happened:

The bloodied person in the pic is actually an American Jew who was beaten by Palestinians.

The cop is actually defending him by waving his baton at the attackers.

http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/israeldiary/Victim_of_the_Media_War.asp

Tuvia Grossman tells in his own words how Palestinians tried to lynch him, and how this event highlights the power of the media to influence public opinion.



I was thrust into the international limelight when The New York Times and other major media outlets published a photo of me -- bloodied and battered -- crouching beneath a club-wielding Israeli policeman. The caption identified me as a Palestinian victim of the new intifada. In fact, however, I am a 20-year-old Jewish student from Chicago, studying at a yeshiva in Jerusalem.


Here's how it all happened:
It was the eve of Rosh Hashana, and I hailed a taxi with two of my friends to go visit the Western Wall. Along the way, the driver took a shortcut through one of the Arab neighborhoods in Jerusalem. We turned a corner and suddenly there were about 40 Palestinians surrounding the car. Before we knew it, huge rocks had smashed all the windows of the taxi.


Some of the Palestinians pulled open the door and dragged me from the vehicle. About 10 attackers jumped on top of me, punching and kicking me. I crouched to the ground, and tried to cover my face to protect myself as much as possible. All I could see were a flurry of sneakers kicking me in the face.

Then I felt a strong pair of hands grabbing me, and I uncovered my face because I thought someone was trying to help me. But it was just another Palestinian; he held the back of my head and punched me square in the face. I fell flat on the ground and the Palestinians jumped on top of me again. One of them stabbed me in the back of my leg, ripping through muscles and tendons. Two other Palestinians held my head so I couldn't move, while two more bashed rocks onto my head... again and again and again.


By this time the beating had gone on for about eight minutes. I had already lost three pints of blood and was losing consciousness. I said "Shema Yisrael" -- the declaration of faith that a Jew says before he dies. I tried not to black out, because I was sure if I did it would be the end.
Because it was the eve of Rosh Hashana, the image of a shofar flashed through my mind, and I recalled a Biblical story I'd learned in school. The prophet Gideon and his 300 men were badly outnumbered against the Midianite army of 130,000. So Gideon's troops banged pots and blew shofars, hoping that the noise would scare the enemy. With God's help, the ploy worked, and Gideon won the battle.


So I yelled at the top of my lungs. The Palestinians were startled momentarily, and I was able to get up and run. Unfortunately, I am heavily nearsighted and my contact lenses had fallen out. So there I was -- barely able to see a thing, with blood pouring down my face and my leg badly wounded -- being chased up a hill by 40 Palestinians throwing rocks at me.
It was a miracle, but I somehow outran them and reached a gas station where Israeli soldiers were posted.


I collapsed on the ground, and that's when a group of freelancer photographers started snapping pictures. An Israeli policeman was protecting me, yelling at the Palestinians to back off from finishing the lynching. But the photo -- sent throughout the world by the Associated Press -- identified me as a Palestinian. The obvious implication was that the Israeli policeman had just beaten me. In truth, it was the total opposite. I was a Jewish victim of Palestinian attackers.


It's bad enough to be beaten bloody, get stitches up and down my head, and have my leg so severely stabbed that therapy is required to regain use of it. But to be used as a pawn in the media war, as part of the Palestinian propaganda to gain international sympathy, well, that hurts even more.
When a photo gets published, there are many links in the chain, and in this case, I don't know where the fault for the garbled caption lies. But it is deeply disturbing that the New York Times, the Associated Press (and everyone else in-between) assumed that if it's a victim, it must be a Palestinian.


There is a great struggle here in Israel and this event highlights the power of the media to influence public opinion. If truth is to prevail, we can't just "read" the newspaper. Be discerning and become part of the process. Otherwise, you're just a passive object of someone else's agenda.
Who are the innocent victims and who are the aggressors? The truth is often the opposite of how it appears.

[E30 Cabrio]

[jflip2002]

How about letting them blow each other the fuck up? How many times are these countries in the news for non violent events? let em be.

[E30 Cabrio]

They are currently in the state of war -

They aren't letting reporters in to protect Interlligence.

That's part of it. After seeing how the NYTimes constantly compromised the security of our own US military, I can see why.

[E30 Cabrio]

Hey e30 Cabrio. You want to know the proof that journalists are not allowed to work in Gaza. Don't doubt it, just Google it.

In regard of your remark about Hamas using kids as shield, that's what I would call propaganda to justify casualties and hate. Check the news and you will read that Israel has just bombarded 3 schools that were directed by UNO. UNO even specifically gave the Israelis the coordinates. And guess what, Israel still bombed the schools...

The world is outraged at Israel's behaviour and we still find a few geniuses on R3V that find it damn cool that civilian Arabs get bombed and die...

If Hamas is going to purposely launch missiles from schools, then what should Israel do?

Continue to let them?

No, they even gave them courtesy warnings but Hamas continues to launch attacks from civilian targets and use children as human shields.

No one finds that "cool" except maybe the people that are actually doing it and then exploiting the images for propaganda to appeal to the emotions of people who can't think critically or see Hamas for what they truly are...

Hamas is putting their people in danger. If you poke a tiger with a stick enough times, the tiger is eventually going to take that stick and shove it up your you-know-what.

Who is to blame for that? The person poking the tiger or the tiger?

Or for the gun grabbers, the stick?

[E30 Cabrio]

Really? Are you that dense? You claim to know what's going on, but don't know about this:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1230733174138&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

http://washingtonbureau.typepad.com/...l-barring.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/07/wo...a.html?_r=1&hp

I asked for clarification of a claim. No need to get all worked up, throw out insults or claim that its indicative of not understanding the situation.

And there is a reason why they are barring Israeli journalists from entering Gaza, which is for their safety, not for propaganda.

The images coming out of Gaza are being controlled by Hamas, which you just proved.

From the JPost article you linked:

"Last week, Israel agreed to let a pool of eight foreign journalists into Gaza when the border crossing was opened for humanitarian needs in the wake of a petition filed by the Foreign Press Association with the High Court of Justice.

Banned from Gaza, the foreign press has been reporting on the assault on Hamas from the Gaza-Israel border, and using Palestinian reports and video from inside the territory.


In the past, Israeli officials have voiced displeasure over the international media's coverage of events in Gaza, saying it inflates Palestinian suffering while not always making clear that Israeli military actions were in response to Palestinian attacks. Officials have said they prefer Palestinians to do the reporting from Gaza."

[Massive Lee]

Hey e30 Cabrio. You want to know the proof that journalists are not allowed to work in Gaza. Don't doubt it, just Google it.

In regard of your remark about Hamas using kids as shield, that's what I would call propaganda to justify casualties and hate. Check the news and you will read that Israel has just bombarded 3 schools that were directed by UNO. UNO even specifically gave the Israelis the coordinates. And guess what, Israel still bombed the schools...

The world is outraged at Israel's behaviour and we still find a few geniuses on R3V that find it damn cool that civilian Arabs get bombed and die...

[yoni]

They are currently in the state of war -

They aren't letting reporters in to protect Interlligence.

[CorvallisBMW]

Who says Israel is not letting journalists in?

Source?

Really? Are you that dense? You claim to know what's going on, but don't know about this:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1230733174138&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

http://washingtonbureau.typepad.com/...l-barring.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/07/wo...a.html?_r=1&hp

[yoni]

Ha, ha. Chisum is having another hallucination. Yesterday he was putting words in people's mouth, now he takes words out of his ass and try to make sentences with them. Damn. It's not getting any better.

Israel is currently controling the press, just as the US did when invading Irak. Israel knows very well that unbiased medias is their worst ennemy.

Not that it makes any difference, or furthers this thread...

But, Chisum's post made complete sense..
"now he takes words out of his ass and try to make sentences with them"

If you don't fully understand what he is saying, that's one thing..
but he is clearly one of the better spoken individuals posting in this thread, albeit a little arrogant..

Anyways, carry on.

[E30 Cabrio]

that's a nice spin you put on it....but no.

Zero journalists are being allowed in, not even those from the Weekly Standard, Town Hall, CNS, etc.... Why?

Who says Israel is not letting journalists in?

Source?

And maybe there is good reason for it, like not exploiting casualties for propaganda purposes, as illustrated above.

The links to the photos and captions proves my point.

There's lots more if you are interested.

Bottom line is that Hamas is using children as human shields, then parading them around in front of the cameras for propaganda purposes.

How/why would anyone defend such cowards?