Looks like we are past the Global Warming thing

[Nicademus]

Here is proof. Their sign isn't even current. See how long they've been waiting for help?



And here is that same bear today. Notice his friend is gone and drowned and the ice is almost totally melted!


And check it out, they're dieing from heat exhaustion before we can shoot them: click here

[mrsleeve]

All I see here are baseless claims. How do you know the effect is small? Where is the evidence that people are making tons of money off of this? I think any investment in green energy is a huge gamble and very little money has been returned or will be returned for a while. Especially with the low gas prices as of late, do you really think people are making much money? Of course not.

HUH AL has made millions upon millions with this CRAP, we have a "Green" channel now, people spend huge sums of money to make a home "Green friendly" The huge amounts of money that have been put into biofuel, refineries (they have made me a ton of money). The farmers that have all switched from food crops to crops for fuel, the fact that anything with corn in it has sky rocketed due to fuel Vs food production. I can go on and on about how much people are making off this green fear mongering.


And again CO2 is a trace element an its effect is Logarithmic which means you need to add 4 times as much to get double the current effect. That = little effect as we dont put out shit compared to mother nature every day, we have in no way increased total global C02 out put by 4x as a industrial race. Mother nature puts out on the order of 10x the amount of CO2 in one year, that all of humanity has released since the dawn of time.

The polar bears will be fine they will live as a species to drown some other time.

[Hallen]

You are ignorant. Now SUPPORT your beliefs global warming is just a political maneuver. You have just posted denial, with no facts, no stats, NOTHING. Just your beliefs. So see, THERES the real fucking problem. We point out some solid facts and stats, then there are the naysayers who just automatically dismiss the claims, with no reasonable doubt. Ive repeatedly said numerous times that it is ignorant to be closed minded either way regarding the global warming controversy.

OK, let me break it down for you:
(for the purposes of this discussion the term "Global Warming" is used to indicate that theory which states that mankind's activities are the cause of rapidly increasing temperatures worldwide)

There was no science to back up the claims of Global Warming. The numbers that were there have been examined and it has been shown that the numbers don't add up. Furthermore, real scientists have stepped forward with data showing how the climate changes over time and that the changes we see now, and the ones we saw in the 70's, are historically normal and most likely not something to be alarmed about.

(Notice I didn't say definitively. Like I said, you can't really prove the negative. All you can do is show real data and back that up with good science. In this case, that good science shows that the "science" of Global Warming is flawed.)

My second point is this:
The Global Warming people basically postulated a hypothesis and presented it as fact and have dared the world to prove it wrong. This is bad science and typically indicate ulterior motives. The biggest premise of the Global Warming crowd is that it is a man-made problem. This is the part that is extremely questionable yet is the forefront of their arguments.

My hypothesis is this:
People do things for a reason. Therefore, somebody expected to benefit from the Global Warming alarmism. The instigators had to know that their science was bad unless they really had no business analysing this kind of data (in other words, they weren't real scientists). They reached a conclusion based on what they wanted or expected to see. Therefore, my hypothesis is that environmentalists used this Global Warming theory to promote their own agendas.

Simple. That is how I get there. It may be the wacky theory of Global Warming came first and was then picked up by the environmentalists, or that the environmentalists created the whole thing from the start. I don't know. Either way, it is the worst kind of Chicken Little or Boy Who Cried Wolf antics that there are.

So, I believe that the planets weather patterns morph and change over time. There is a rhythm to it and there are causation factors. However, we don't know and don't fully understand what those factors are and are far from really understanding it. To say that there is Global Warming (again, look at the definition above) is ridiculous.

By the way, others have posted facts in this thread about CO2 content and its effects. If Global Warming is happening, then chances are it is driven by other factors than man-made factors. The methane gas amounts in the atmosphere are a much more critical factor than CO2, by a long, long ways. However, everything you read about this stuff uses the term Global Warming implying that people cause it. Read this one... However, notice the scientist quoted says nothing of the kind. She just says more methane is released as the oceans warm (according to her theory which also may be incorrect). The journalist who wrote the article slips in the pump for Global Warming. All of that gets all neatly wrapped up and presented for consumption and leads people to believe things that are not true. It is malicious and intentional.

I don't know why I bother outlining this stuff. You'll just skim it, call me names, and restate that you know better.

[napabavarian]

Is he humping the iceberg?

[joshh]

Let's not forget about "cabon credits".........BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[jflip2002]

OK, let me break it down for you:
(for the purposes of this discussion the term "Global Warming" is used to indicate that theory which states that mankind's activities are the cause of rapidly increasing temperatures worldwide)

So you start off your entire post with a False statement, preventing me from reading the rest of the jibberish. Global warming is simply the warming of the earth, whether its man caused or naturally caused. So lets get the opening statement right, before wasting the rest of your time. Thats where things get all twisted around.

As Ive said a few times in this thread... To be closed minded on any of the theories is just ignorant. Nothing has been proven, and likely nothing will be proven (since its science). It never hurts to be open minded about things that can have potentially (or not) such a great effect on our environment.

[joshh]

So you start off your entire post with a False statement, preventing me from reading the rest of the jibberish. Global warming is simply the warming of the earth, whether its man caused or naturally caused. So lets get the opening statement right, before wasting the rest of your time. Thats where things get all twisted around.

As Ive said a few times in this thread... To be closed minded on any of the theories is just ignorant. Nothing has been proven, and likely nothing will be proven (since its science). It never hurts to be open minded about things that can have potentially (or not) such a great effect on our environment.

Incorrect.
GW=Man is the cause.
Climate change=A natual proccess.

[jflip2002]

No, in EVERY environmental related class Ive had, it is all referred to as global warming. Thats where a lot of confusion and misconception comes about (not even saying Im 100% right, just what I have learned), when people use different words for the same meanings. Getting everything confused and mixed up.

[Hallen]

No, in EVERY environmental related class Ive had, it is all referred to as global warming. Thats where a lot of confusion and misconception comes about (not even saying Im 100% right, just what I have learned), when people use different words for the same meanings. Getting everything confused and mixed up.

I am willing to concede that point. However, the way the phrase gets used is that GW is man made. Climate Change refers to the wider aspects of how the global climate changes continually. I don't know where the phrase GW got coined, but that is how it gets used.

That statement does not invalidate the rest of what I am saying either. I defined the phrase as I was using it. You can disagree with my usage of the phrase. You can change it your head to Man Made Warming if you want.

[atomic]

Incorrect.
GW=Man is the cause.
Climate change=A natual proccess.

you know whats funny? even the epa seems to have realized that global warming is actually just climate change (a natural process)










eaccd Al Gore...


:drink:

[joshh]

you know whats funny? even the epa seems to have realized that global warming is actually just climate change (a natural process)










eaccd Al Gore...


:drink:

Holy crap, that's great.
Climate change is so much easier to believe imo.

[gwb72tii]

you're all being duped by the enviro wackos
the term "climate change" is a specific marketing ploy to replace "global warming" because it sounds easier to believe, and therefore influence peoples' opinions.
this is not some innocent change of terms implying something less benign or horrific, it is the same old wackos like al gorebasm trying to accomplish the same extreme shit

how old are you guys?

geesh........

[joshh]

you're all being duped by the enviro wackos
the term "climate change" is a specific marketing ploy to replace "global warming" because it sounds easier to believe, and therefore influence peoples' opinions.
this is not some innocent change of terms implying something less benign or horrific, it is the same old wackos like al gorebasm trying to accomplish the same extreme shit

how old are you guys?

geesh........

Sounds yo me like you're full of shit. I've seen no change.

How old are you anyways...

GEESH!

[h0lmes]

Yeah you guys are right, climate change is a lie. I guess it's okay to pollute now and clear cut all the forests.

[joshh]

Yeah you guys are right, climate change is a lie. I guess it's okay to pollute now and clear cut all the forests.

Yes, let's go to an extreme and make ourselves look silly.
No one is arguing that we can't live cleaner....