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  • mrsleeve
    I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
    • Mar 2005
    • 16385

    #1

    Looks like we are past the Global Warming thing

    Lets see how long before Gore has to give back is Noble prize


    By Christopher Booker
    Last Updated: 10:59AM GMT 28 Dec 2008

    Originally posted by Christopher Booker

    The first, on May 21, headed "Climate change threat to Alpine ski resorts" , reported that the entire Alpine "winter sports industry" could soon "grind to a halt for lack of snow". The second, on December 19, headed "The Alps have best snow conditions in a generation" , reported that this winter's Alpine snowfalls "look set to beat all records by New Year's Day".

    Easily one of the most important stories of 2008 has been all the evidence suggesting that this may be looked back on as the year when there was a turning point in the great worldwide panic over man-made global warming. Just when politicians in Europe and America have been adopting the most costly and damaging measures politicians have ever proposed, to combat this supposed menace, the tide has turned in three significant respects.

    First, all over the world, temperatures have been dropping in a way wholly unpredicted by all those computer models which have been used as the main drivers of the scare. Last winter, as temperatures plummeted, many parts of the world had snowfalls on a scale not seen for decades. This winter, with the whole of Canada and half the US under snow, looks likely to be even worse. After several years flatlining, global temperatures have dropped sharply enough to cancel out much of their net rise in the 20th century.

    Ever shriller and more frantic has become the insistence of the warmists, cheered on by their army of media groupies such as the BBC, that the last 10 years have been the "hottest in history" and that the North Pole would soon be ice-free – as the poles remain defiantly icebound and those polar bears fail to drown. All those hysterical predictions that we are seeing more droughts and hurricanes than ever before have infuriatingly failed to materialise.

    Even the more cautious scientific acolytes of the official orthodoxy now admit that, thanks to "natural factors" such as ocean currents, temperatures have failed to rise as predicted (although they plaintively assure us that this cooling effect is merely "masking the underlying warming trend", and that the temperature rise will resume worse than ever by the middle of the next decade).

    Secondly, 2008 was the year when any pretence that there was a "scientific consensus" in favour of man-made global warming collapsed. At long last, as in the Manhattan Declaration last March, hundreds of proper scientists, including many of the world's most eminent climate experts, have been rallying to pour scorn on that "consensus" which was only a politically engineered artefact, based on ever more blatantly manipulated data and computer models programmed to produce no more than convenient fictions.

    Thirdly, as banks collapsed and the global economy plunged into its worst recession for decades, harsh reality at last began to break in on those self-deluding dreams which have for so long possessed almost every politician in the western world. As we saw in this month's Poznan conference, when 10,000 politicians, officials and "environmentalists" gathered to plan next year's "son of Kyoto" treaty in Copenhagen, panicking politicians are waking up to the fact that the world can no longer afford all those quixotic schemes for "combating climate change" with which they were so happy to indulge themselves in more comfortable times.

    Suddenly it has become rather less appealing that we should divert trillions of dollars, pounds and euros into the fantasy that we could reduce emissions of carbon dioxide by 80 per cent. All those grandiose projects for "emissions trading", "carbon capture", building tens of thousands more useless wind turbines, switching vast areas of farmland from producing food to "biofuels", are being exposed as no more than enormously damaging and futile gestures, costing astronomic sums we no longer possess.

    As 2009 dawns, it is time we in Britain faced up to the genuine crisis now fast approaching from the fact that – unless we get on very soon with building enough proper power stations to fill our looming "energy gap" - within a few years our lights will go out and what remains of our economy will judder to a halt. After years of infantile displacement activity, it is high time our politicians – along with those of the EU and President Obama's US – were brought back with a mighty jolt into contact with the real world.

    I must end this year by again paying tribute to my readers for the wonderful generosity with which they came to the aid of two causes. First their donations made it possible for the latest "metric martyr", the east London market trader Janet Devers, to fight Hackney council's vindictive decision to prosecute her on 13 criminal charges, ranging from selling in pounds and ounces to selling produce "by the bowl" (to avoid using weights her customers dislike and don't understand). The embarrassment caused by this historic battle has thrown the forced metrication policy of both our governments, in London and Brussels, into total disarray.

    Since Hackney backed out of allowing four criminal charges against Janet to go before a jury next month, all that remains is for her to win her appeal in February against eight convictions which now look quite absurd (including those for selling veg by the bowl, as thousands of other London market traders do every day). The final goal, as Neil Herron of the Metric Martyrs Defence Fund insists, must then be a pardon for the late Steve Thoburn and the four other original "martyrs" who were found guilty in 2002 – after a legal battle also made possible by this column's readers – of breaking laws so ridiculous that the EU Commission has even denied they existed (but which are still on the statute book).

    Readers were equally generous this year in rushing to the aid of Sue Smith, whose son was killed in a Snatch Land Rover in Iraq in 2005. Their contributions made it possible for her to carry on with the High Court action she has brought against the Ministry of Defence, with the sole aim of calling it to account for needlessly risking soldiers' lives by sending them into battle in hopelessly inappropriate vehicles. Thanks not least to Mrs Smith's determined fight, the Snatch Land Rover scandal, first reported here in 2006, has at last become a national cause celebre.

    May I finally thank all those readers who have written to me in 2008 – so many that, as usual, it has not been possible to answer all their messages. But their support and information has been hugely appreciated. May I wish them and all of you a happy (if globally not too warm) New Year.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/c...disproved.html


    discuss

    this will be fun 8)

    Edit: Cliffs for all those who think reading is for pussies. Basically Human induced GW is a crock of shit and the polar bears will live on to drown some other time.
    Originally posted by Fusion
    If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
    The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


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    William Pitt-
  • 318isbmw
    Moderator
    • Nov 2005
    • 2841

    #2
    Gore had some good thoughts, such as the fact that the CO2 is rising so much, but I never ever heard about him mention the fact we have a population in the world that's some of the biggest ever. Had good points, but reached conclusions too quickly... In the 1970's wasn't there a huge freak out about we're headed towards the next ice age?

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    • dvs909
      E30 Enthusiast
      • Sep 2006
      • 1149

      #3
      I never believed any of this global warming bullshit.

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      • gwb72tii
        No R3VLimiter
        • Nov 2005
        • 3864

        #4
        the hilarious part is the believers would tell you it's cooling now because it's really warming.
        “There is nothing government can give you that it hasn’t taken from you in the first place”
        Sir Winston Churchill

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        • mrsleeve
          I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
          • Mar 2005
          • 16385

          #5
          318, yes there was a big freak out about the next ice age in the 70's, but CO2 accouants for less than 1% of all green house gasses in the atmosphere and about .036% of the total atmosphere. So a bit more CO2 that we produce has no effect as the oceans can absorb 100x the amount that we produce.

          wait till we get the resident three hugging hippies on here to tell us all about it. Has any one else noticed that they have gotten away from global warming and now the greenies are just calling it climate change!!!!!!!!! Thats what I find really funny!
          Originally posted by Fusion
          If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
          The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


          The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

          Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
          William Pitt-

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          • Mtriple
            No R3VLimiter
            • Dec 2003
            • 3139

            #6
            The real problem is our sky rocketing population worldwide.
            Originally posted by Simon S
            When a dream is a dream for too long - it becomes a fantasy..

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            • mikegar
              E30 Addict
              • Aug 2005
              • 523

              #7
              Originally posted by Mtriple
              The real problem is our sky rocketing population worldwide.
              +1 with the rise of the human population natural resources will EVENTUALLY dwindle to nothing. i dont have any numbers, but id be interested as to how many people this planet can support. i think we should be prepared for colonizing other planets. it would take decades or even centuries before our technology would allow us to do this, im hoping that we figure it out in time.
              Originally posted by Ferdinand
              I carry a cheap pressure gauge in my glovebox with which to manually check my tire pressures, but I keep forgetting that in the USA glovebox space is sacred as it is reserved exclusively for the purpose of storing handguns.

              DIVING BOARD DIVISION DIVISION IDIOT

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              • jflip2002
                R3V Elite
                • Sep 2006
                • 4377

                #8
                Well, either way, it can not be denied that the Earth's temperature is rising. It is a fact. Now what is causing it IS debatable, whether its human or natural. Im not too set on either one, personally. It is a fact that we are at our highest population ever, so there will be more greenhouse gases emitted. But its also known that the Earth goes through natural temperature rises, due to solar flares.

                I think the best thing we can do is keep an open mind both ways....
                Originally posted by blunt
                i would jerk larry king off while tonging jflips ass if h0lmes would blow his head off

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                • e30fiend
                  Member
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 96

                  #9
                  A more accurate description of the "global warming" phenomenon would be "global climate change", which is definitely occuring.

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                  • Maluco
                    R3V OG
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 6572

                    #10
                    Originally posted by jflip2002
                    Well, either way, it can not be denied that the Earth's temperature is rising. It is a fact. Now what is causing it IS debatable, whether its human or natural. Im not too set on either one, personally. It is a fact that we are at our highest population ever, so there will be more greenhouse gases emitted. But its also known that the Earth goes through natural temperature rises, due to solar flares.

                    I think the best thing we can do is keep an open mind both ways....

                    "the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase (there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that differs significantly from zero). "

                    "One might argue the 28-year-long period of warming which occurred between 1970 and 1998 constitutes a dangerous (and man-made) warming.

                    "A period of similar warming occurred between 1918 and 1940, well prior to the greatest phase of world industrialisation, and that cooling occurred between 1940 and 1965, at precisely the time that human emissions were increasing at their greatest rate."

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                    • hugh jass
                      R3VLimited
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 2220

                      #11
                      for my son's sake, i hope you guys that think global warming is a crock are right.
                      ______________________
                      ex-Chief Operating Officer
                      Blunt Tech Industries
                      West Coast and Pacific Rim

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                      • napabavarian
                        E30 Modder
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 834

                        #12
                        Originally posted by e30fiend
                        A more accurate description of the "global warming" phenomenon would be "global climate change", which is definitely occuring.

                        That's what I was going to say after reading the title... You can't argue with climate change, it always happens, a little here, a little there, the trouble with global warming theory is something called equilibrium, if it gets too warm then the planet starts to cool, more too it than that, but a good start for some :firehop:

                        This place is like catholic school, 2/3 of the students smoke weed on a daily basis, but the faculty seems to convince the outside world that drugs are just in the other schools, the resident pot dealer thinks he's cool because he has the originality to call anyone he doesn't like a homosexual, and most of the little children follow him like sheep, then there's the few with brains, you hardly ever hear from them, perhaps don't even know they exist, but they get all the sh!t done.

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                        • h0lmes

                          #13
                          EDIT: I don't feel like arguing.

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                          • jflip2002
                            R3V Elite
                            • Sep 2006
                            • 4377

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Maluco
                            "the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase (there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that differs significantly from zero). "

                            "One might argue the 28-year-long period of warming which occurred between 1970 and 1998 constitutes a dangerous (and man-made) warming.

                            "A period of similar warming occurred between 1918 and 1940, well prior to the greatest phase of world industrialisation, and that cooling occurred between 1940 and 1965, at precisely the time that human emissions were increasing at their greatest rate."
                            What exactly do you think that means? That is not proof of anything, rather a theory. No shit warming occurred during industrialization, that was man made warming. Right now theres no PROOF of anything. I think itd be ignorant to say its 100% man made... just as ignorant as it is to say its 100% natural.
                            Originally posted by blunt
                            i would jerk larry king off while tonging jflips ass if h0lmes would blow his head off

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                            • Intro
                              Advanced Member
                              • Apr 2008
                              • 196

                              #15
                              Ok for all those that say. All the CO2 we produce will be absorbed. Let me ask you a question.
                              Do you think there is a limit of how much CO2 can be absorbed, dissipated, etc. by the Earth, before something changes in the enviorment or do you think that there is no such thing as to much CO2?
                              If you agree with the first statement, Then why the hell would you not try and produce as little as possible?
                              If you agreed with the second statement. Then please feel free to think more.

                              None of the evidence of global warming convinces me, but why would you not try to limit the amount of poisonous gas you introduce to the environment?
                              And to conserve our supplies. Eventually we will run out of fuel, the only question is when.

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