USA's Continued Economic Suicide.

[nando]

yeah and we should do that and raise taxes and government spending too! I mean all of these policies worked so well during the great depression, right?

[joshh]

The problem is not production. The problem is at the buying decision level. People must understand they should purchase products with the little stars'n'stripes flag on the packaging. It wouldn't take a big advertizing campaign fpr people to get it.

It's both. NAFTA was a huge hit. And it was all about money. Mexico is right over there and we can pay them pennies for the same work.

how bout the banks we bailed out with our hard earned dollars?
i dont know the exact numbers but they filed for like 30k visas to bring in foreign workers at an average salary of 90k. fact is they are probably better employees than spoiled lazy americans with "entitlement syndrome" but it just doesnt seem right

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Sad but true. Our own government and justice system needs to start making people responsible for their own actions. That alone would flood our justice system with litigation.

We need more "Fuck you, maybe you shouldn't have (enter stupid action of American here). And no you can't fucking sue for it. STFU and get back to your cable tv."

[love the booB5]

I'm going to make a switch back to only drinking American beer and American whiskey. My contribution alone should make a pretty sizable difference.

Who's with me on this one?

[DCColegrove]

This thread has really got me thinking, remember back in the 80's when all the autoworkers were anti-Import cars, and there were flags on everything, people were proud of what had come from their hard work and the land they pridefully called home. We need to get back to that. An insane level of US pride, leaps and bounds stronger than all the Mexico flags being waived by legal, and, illegal immigrants at sporting events, on their cars, etc.



Remember when stuff didn't break when you took it out of the package, tools didn't snap when removing bolts, cars didn't squeak over bumps, people weren't fat, lazy, and stupid.



I need to go back in time 20 years, and try this again. I know I did my part to fuck this place up, what about you?

The 80s...

I was there...

What has become amazing to me is that a lot of products are just flat not made here anymore...

Asian imports have driven a lot of USA and European manufactures right the fuck out of business.

[DarkWing6]

American products need to be competative in both quality and price on a world wide scale. We shouldn't need to tax the bejesus out of foreign products if our products were worth buying.

Anyone find it odd to see this thread on a BMW (foreign car) forum?


globalization ftw!

[BillBrasky]

globalization with better educated consumers FTW!

fixed

[Massive Lee]

In regard of NAFTA. Do you think the US government would have signed the agreement if the outcome was not beneficiary for them? The US is not known to be philantropic. The problem is that lobbyists are industrials who want immediate benefits. And they got it after lobbying to allow jobs to be exported to Mexico. They make more money, and don't car about losts jobs in their own country. Maybe if lobbyists were evicted from the decision process, these decisions would be in the real interest of Americans. Not just for Bank Street.

[h0lmes]

The problem is that this country needs to make quality products first. This is especially true of cars.

A Chevy Malibu simply can't compete with a Toyota Camry.

[blunttech]

In regard of NAFTA. Do you think the US government would have signed the agreement if the outcome was not beneficiary for them? The US is not known to be philantropic. The problem is that lobbyists are industrials who want immediate benefits. And they got it after lobbying to allow jobs to be exported to Mexico. They make more money, and don't car about losts jobs in their own country. Maybe if lobbyists were evicted from the decision process, these decisions would be in the real interest of Americans. Not just for Bank Street.

the USA is not known to be philanthropic? i cannot believe you just wrote that lee/...... please define philanthropic. because i dont believe you know what it means after what you just typed

dispensing or receiving aid from funds set aside for humanitarian purposes

who does this more than the USA????????

[nando]

The problem is that this country needs to make quality products first. This is especially true of cars.

A Chevy Malibu simply can't compete with a Toyota Camry.

for a while they were the exact same car.

edit: and they are both made in the USA...

[Massive Lee]

the USA is not known to be philanthropic? i cannot believe you just wrote that lee/...... please define philanthropic. because i dont believe you know what it means after what you just typed

dispensing or receiving aid from funds set aside for humanitarian purposes

who does this more than the USA????????

Blunt. I am addressing commercial agreements. The US will seek for its best commercial interests, just like any country. I don't mean help to foreign countries, earth quake, or stuff like that. Purely commercial stuff.

Lee

[Farbin Kaiber]

...dispensing or receiving aid from funds set aside for humanitarian purposes
who does this more than the USA????????

truth.

[daniel]

this thread is really amazing. we are having an educated discussion about a possibly polarizing issue, and everyone is staying on topic and not slinging insults at each other.

keep it up guys.

/sentimentality

oh and as for my take on this issue: I am a bit prejudiced against american produced products, but only because of their inferiority across many markets and industries that has existed for many years now. If an american company started making superior products, i wouldn't have a problem buying from them instead of a foreign company. its just too bad that doesnt happen too often. I guess Apple and Dell are american...

[BlueJ85]

Want irony?

How bout the fact that we're all driving GERMAN cars to start with...lol...

Whoa, I need to use the refresh button before I post again! yikes

Also this is why the whole world is affected by "our" crisis--global economy. Keep buying stuff from anywhere and you are helping the situation.

And I agree with you on American products daniel.

[nando]

Blunt. I am addressing commercial agreements. The US will seek for its best commercial interests, just like any country. I don't mean help to foreign countries, earth quake, or stuff like that. Purely commercial stuff.

Lee

we have those kind of companies too - they're challed charities.