The drug war at our doorstep

[der affe]

phalis-eeee!

[der affe]

Maybe if the Libertarian party was worth a damn. I supported Ron Paul in the past but then I realized that if the American Libertarian party got their way it wouldn't be the government in control, it would be Wal-Mart and General Motors, which is much worse.

If you are interested in true Libertarianism, then you should do some research on Libertarian Socialism, i.e. Anarchism. Anarchism was using the term Libertarian long before the American Libertarian party even existed.

so are you in support of anarchy?
that sounds good in a Sex Pistols song, but put to practicle use, all the strong will rule the weak using violence to gain power. so while you are sitting your E-30 stoned, i will come and beat you up and take it from you,
that is ANARCHYYYYYYY!

[h0lmes]

so are you in support of anarchy?
that sounds good in a Sex Pistols song, but put to practicle use, all the strong will rule the weak using violence to gain power. so while you are sitting your E-30 stoned, i will come and beat you up and take it from you,
that is ANARCHYYYYYYY!

Your knowledge of Anarchy is based on a song? That's pretty typical. Actually, under anarchism there is still order and rules and people are still held accountable for their actions. Maybe you should try picking up a book, you do know how to read don't you?

[Kerrath]

Your knowledge of Anarchy is based on a song? That's pretty typical. Actually, under anarchism there is still order and rules and people are still held accountable for their actions. Maybe you should try picking up a book, you do know how to read don't you?

der affe is right. Anarchy would suck. And this rule and order you speak of, it's upheld by whoever has the most friends or whoever is the strongest.

Also, before you claim with anarchy there is order, you should look up the definition of anarchy.

"2. political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control: The death of the king was followed by a year of anarchy."
"4. confusion; chaos; disorder: Intellectual and moral anarchy followed his loss of faith."

[h0lmes]

der affe is right. Anarchy would suck. And this rule and order you speak of, it's upheld by whoever has the most friends or whoever is the strongest.

Also, before you claim with anarchy there is order, you should look up the definition of anarchy.

"2. political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control: The death of the king was followed by a year of anarchy."
"4. confusion; chaos; disorder: Intellectual and moral anarchy followed his loss of faith."

That definition refers to the word anarchy and not anarchism itself. Merriam-Websters defines anarchism as "1 : a political theory holding all forms of governmental authority to be unnecessary and undesirable and advocating a society based on voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups"

[der affe]

Oh, I didn't mean that you wouldn't. I just meant that I support the decriminalization of drugs to a point. Heroin is just too iffy for me. But if it were to be decriminalized, there could be commercially available heroin instead of as the news typically claims is tainted. Most drugs would be that way, and would be less risky and higher quality. A lot of people I talk to who are drug opponents say "You don't know what you're smoking if you buy weed from somebody. There could be pesticides or anything on it, or formaldehyde and you wouldn't know." That being their primary reason since they aren't aware of its effects, I tell them "and if it were legalized and commercially available, that wouldn't be a risk, now would it?"



I'm curious. Do you mean that people who smoke tobacco, or also for that matter consume alcohol should be denied access to health care too? I don't really want to contest you on that, I'm just curious what you really mean.

I agree with you that society at the moment is not ready to accept responsibility for the use of drugs, but until that is taught/expected of people, what should happen until then? People who DO accept responsibility, as well as the consequences get punished for it? It's quite unfair, but then again, nobody ever said it should be.

One reason I am a proponent of drug (some) legalization is because like tobacco and alcohol, the government can tax the fuck out of it, instead of spending money on people arrested on drug charges. Hell, enough people do drugs, maybe the boost in cashflow can fix the crappy economy.

i would support it if it was taxed and after years of drug eduaction, for the sake of arguement, lets say 15 years from now. with a GIANT stipulation.
IF you are caught with non government taxed drugs there will be severe manditory jail time. no bull shit, no plea bargin. that is what you will have to give up in order to get your reefer legally (or what ever else you want to escape from your problems with)

as far as what happens to the people now. i guess if they want it bad enough and are willing to think of others, they could be martyrs for the cause of legalizing drugs for the future generations of drug users. they can help to "earn" the right for future generations to get stoned. noone with the arguement to leagalize drugs has ever brought up what they are willing to give up in order to gain the right to do drugs freely, they just think it should be done.

[der affe]

That definition refers to the word anarchy and not anarchism itself. Merriam-Websters defines anarchism as "1 : a political theory holding all forms of governmental authority to be unnecessary and undesirable and advocating a society based on voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups"

based on human nature, and put to practical use. my defination will be the outcome. only in some utopian society, that exists in a text book, will that political theory work.

[der affe]

oh, i missed the validity jab.
Noun1.validity - the quality of being valid and rigorous rigour, cogency, rigor
believability, credibility, credibleness - the quality of being believable or trustworthy
2.validity - the quality of having legal force or effectiveness validness
legality - lawfulness by virtue of conformity to a legal statute

effect, force - (of a law) having legal validity; "the law is still in effect"
3.validity - the property of being strong and healthy in constitution hardiness, lustiness, robustness
strength - the property of being physically or mentally strong; "fatigue sapped his strength

i don't see your confusion with me using the that work to point out how your being a drug (pot) user) weakens how valid your point that you are trying to make is.

[h0lmes]

oh, i missed the validity jab.
Noun1.validity - the quality of being valid and rigorous rigour, cogency, rigor
believability, credibility, credibleness - the quality of being believable or trustworthy
2.validity - the quality of having legal force or effectiveness validness
legality - lawfulness by virtue of conformity to a legal statute

effect, force - (of a law) having legal validity; "the law is still in effect"
3.validity - the property of being strong and healthy in constitution hardiness, lustiness, robustness
strength - the property of being physically or mentally strong; "fatigue sapped his strength

i don't see your confusion with me using the that work to point out how your being a drug (pot) user) weakens how valid your point that you are trying to make is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Validity

It's the first one on the list. The URL won't post properly because it has an underscore in it.

[der affe]

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validity (countable and uncountable; plural validities)

1. The state of being valid, authentic or genuine.
2. Having legal force.
3. A quality of a measurement indicating the degree to which the measure reflects the underlying construct, that is, whether it measures what it purports to measure (see reliability).

maybe i should have used the plural validities since you are trying to make many different points. i still used it correctly

[Kerrath]

That definition refers to the word anarchy and not anarchism itself. Merriam-Websters defines anarchism as "1 : a political theory holding all forms of governmental authority to be unnecessary and undesirable and advocating a society based on voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups"

You used the word anarchy, not anarchism.

[h0lmes]

You used the word anarchy, not anarchism.

Regardless, what I was referring to is the definition that I gave.

[der affe]

crap, it died!

[mrsleeve]

That definition refers to the word anarchy and not anarchism itself. Merriam-Websters defines anarchism as "1 : a political theory holding all forms of governmental authority to be unnecessary and undesirable and advocating a society based on voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups"

Here let me translate this so all the rest of you can get it.


HIPPIE COMMUNE

these things do work so well, unless you are a mindless follower or the psychopath leading the cult, most people will not do well in a society like that.