concealed carry

[Massive Lee]

Does it really matter where they came from when they blow themselves up for the point of this topic.

Yes it matters. If one turbanhead shows at to a civic center and kills 14, he's a terrorist and everyone turns paranoiac against foreign attacks. People get jailed for nothing, just because they have tanned skin. If one white American shows up in the same civic centers and shoots 14, nothing will be done and everyone claims the right to have more guns. Where's the logic?

Most gun crazy Americans are so much in their gun shit, they don't even realize what they are begging for. More guns to defend against more people with more guns. Nice escalade...

[bejbis]

WHEN will you guys get it, a gun is not the PROBLEM its the GOOFY FUCKER THATS OPERATING IT.

Bingo, a trained/stupid/crazy person can kill just as many people with a knife/baseball bat/car as they can with a gun. Guns ARE NOT the problem, people are.

[eurotrashm20]

Maybe you forgot that all terrorist attacks on continental US soil (except for the twin towers) were performed by good ol' Americans. Some of them even pretending to defend the Constitution against the government...

http://history1900s.about.com/cs/crimedisaster/p/okcitybombing.htm

Therefore your typification of a terrorist makes you an typical idiot. Nop. Terrorist don't necessarely have turbans, and strapped bombs. Some even have official positions at the White House...

If I am reading your statement correctly ... I think you might want to reread what you quoted. He said nothing about the bombers being Iraqi but rather they were idiots that would soon strap on bombs then blowing them up ... Like the bombers in Iraq.

As for the guns. Never in the past have I considered buying a hand gun, bu tin the past 2 years the stupid crap going on has really pushed me over the edge. Hell even my in laws who live in the back woods and are ultra religious now own hand guns. They may not mean as much since I am the one that knows them, but it is very surprising.
I am in the process of buying 1 or 5.

[mrsleeve]

LEE where the hell did terrorist's come in ????????????????


Look here we go again, A populace that has no way to defend ones self is easy pray for people that wish to do harm, or forcefully take things from them.

Look at the UK Australia, and most all "free" western countries. Once guns were banned the violent crime rates shot up. Why is that???? Its because the criminal element still has guns, because being a criminal means they dont listen to the law any way. SO only the law abiding who turned in all their arms have now way to defend them selves. Those that would pry on them Know this, and make their job easier and safer as there is now little risk to them selves that the victim of their intent, wont have the means nor ability to repel his advances.

More responsible law abiding ARMED citizens will reduce the violent crime rate. As that will cause the criminal element to have to think about who his intended victim will be and still take a chance that the little woman dose not have a .357 snub in her purse, or that computer nerd walking to his car after working late dose not have a glock 29 on his hip under his coat. The mark may not be as easy any more, and there is no way to know who has one an who dose not. It deters crime period, just look at the stats of Shall Issue sates Vs the No issue states or even a city that has lots of CCW holders Vs ones with few.

I am a big advocate of CCW and think anyone that can should. That said I hope and pray that I will never have to draw my weapon, let alone pull the trigger in Self Defense. Its something nobody that carry's ever wants to have to do. But I will be damed if some ass hat tries to hurt myself or my family.

Edit: New guy above me: Religious dose not mean anti gun. My inlaws extended families are like the amish with cars and electricity (minus the tv or sin box as they call it) but they all have more arms and ammo in the house than South african Arms dealer.

[Maluco]

He must be talking about this guy...

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=311743

[gazellebeigem3]

Mandatory concealed carry would end all crime.

[Maluco]

^ lol

[iamsam]

Yes it matters. If one turbanhead shows at to a civic center and kills 14, he's a terrorist and everyone turns paranoiac against foreign attacks. People get jailed for nothing, just because they have tanned skin. If one white American shows up in the same civic centers and shoots 14, nothing will be done and everyone claims the right to have more guns. Where's the logic?

Most gun crazy Americans are so much in their gun shit, they don't even realize what they are begging for. More guns to defend against more people with more guns. Nice escalade...

i'll offer some logic...


if a "turbanhead" blows up the civic center, and he is foreign, i.e., he lives somewhere other than America, then how is it not a foreign terrorist attack, especially because of a recent history of foreign "turbanhead" terrorist attacks? (9/11 to quote one).


foreign = not from the US
terrorist attack = an attack on human life for no other apparent reason than to spread terror, i.e. suicide bombing.

why don't suicide bombers make people want to have more guns? because you can't defend yourself against a suicide bomber with a gun, because when a suicide bomber reveals himself, you are either dead or there is no one to defend yourself against if you are not dead.


and when a white American shoots 14 people in a civic center, i am pretty sure something will be done, first of all, and you can in fact defend yourself with a gun against another gunman, unlike the suicide bomber scenario.

See the logic?

BTW i am assuming when you say "turbanhead" you mean suicide bomber.

[Victell]

Bingo, a trained/stupid/crazy person can kill just as many people with a knife/baseball bat/car as they can with a gun.

dude. just think about that for at least 1 minute.

how about making it much, much harder for pieces of shit like him to not get a gun in the first place?

yes. i agree thats worked great in the past.

Assault rifle death and injuries have gone waay down in SoCal, not in small part due to the 94 ban. I remember the 80s and early 90s when almost every evening newscast would have reports on drive-by killings, a lot them involving assault rifles. People a mile away would get killed in their home by stray bullets.

Today's gangsters or anybody else who has an illegal AK now know how valuable they are as their AK supplies dried due to the ban.

Im not saying guns should be banned though.

Mandatory concealed carry would end all crime.

the road rage shootouts would be awesome. parents arguing at their kids' sporting events, bar fights, people who just got fired, the DMV!!!. darwin would get massive props.

[mrsleeve]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

As soon as you set foot out into public with a gun on your responsibility level goes through the roof compared to just going out with out it. Any reasonable person (I know I do) feels that responsibility,and will make better decisions for it. By forcing your self to be calm and rational and keep your temper under control, because you know if you make a mistake in judgment with that weapon it could (and will) cost you the rest of your life in prison and your family's well being in a civil wrongful death law suit, the consequences are severe for fucking up. Every one I know that Caries a CCW knows this and it weighs on nearly every decision throughout the day. If these things dont they you have no business carrying a gun.

[E30 Cabrio]

Maybe you forgot that all terrorist attacks on continental US soil (except for the twin towers) were performed by good ol' Americans. Some of them even pretending to defend the Constitution against the government...

http://history1900s.about.com/cs/crimedisaster/p/okcitybombing.htm

Therefore your typification of a terrorist makes you an typical idiot. Nop. Terrorist don't necessarely have turbans, and strapped bombs. Some even have official positions at the White House...

WTF does that have to do with my point, which you obviously (or perhaps, obliviously) missed.

If someone wants to kill a shitload of people, they'll do it with or without a firearm.

I used the suicide bomber as an example of one way of doing it.

[E30 Cabrio]

dude. just think about that for at least 1 minute.






Assault rifle death and injuries have gone waay down in SoCal, not in small part due to the 94 ban. I remember the 80s and early 90s when almost every evening newscast would have reports on drive-by killings, a lot them involving assault rifles. People a mile away would get killed in their home by stray bullets.

Today's gangsters or anybody else who has an illegal AK now know how valuable they are as their AK supplies dried due to the ban.

Im not saying guns should be banned though.




the road rage shootouts would be awesome. parents arguing at their kids' sporting events, bar fights, people who just got fired, the DMV!!!. darwin would get massive props.

Faulty logic. The crime rate of CCW holders is minuscule compared to the general public.

You can look it up if you want, but I'm 100% correct on this.

Edit: Here ya go:

http://www.txchia.org/sturdevant2000.htm#2000chart

[mrsleeve]

Assault rifle death and injuries have gone waay down in SoCal, not in small part due to the 94 ban. I remember the 80s and early 90s when almost every evening newscast would have reports on drive-by killings, a lot them involving assault rifles. People a mile away would get killed in their home by stray bullets.

Dude I want to see the stats on this, The AWB was shown Statistically to have done nothing to lower crime rates. You want to knwo how crime have been committed with an assault weapon in this country since the 50's. 2 thats it 2 one was a cop with a department owned weapon, and I dont remember the other one atm.


You see "your AWB" dose nothing but regulate sport rifles A Assuallt weapon is defined as a medium caliber/power rifle the can be selected to fire in either auto or semi auto modes. Last time I checked the federal Govt. has regulated those in the hand of private persons, with some laws that require massive back ground checks, a nice tax and a weapon that was made before 1986, thus the prices start at 5k for a pile of shit and run into high 10's of thousands. Your AWB has done nothing, better enforcement of the laws is the biggest thing that has helped.

[E30 Cabrio]

"Assault Weapon" is a media created term used to help ban certain types of rifles.

How does a rifle having a pistol grip or a flash suppressor make it more dangerous?

It doesn't, but an ignorant public doesn't know that.

[Victell]

If someone wants to kill a shitload of people, they'll do it with or without a firearm.

Unlike once a decade think-outside-the-box mass murderers like McVeigh, Rev Jones, etc., regular rampagers can do the most killins with the gun. Only an elderly guy driving near a farmers market can match that.