Excise tax on cigarettes

[scabzzzz]

The government should issue their own brand of cigarette, and make it really cheap. Then we could solidify our socialist tendencies. yay!

[CorvallisBMW]

I would say that cost does not determine whether a person is going to smoke or not. It does however determine the quality of cigarette they will smoke.

Really? So if cigarettes cost $1 each, just as many people would start smoking as if they cost $100 each? That's an interesting theory you have there. :loco:

That said the guber-ment makes more money taxing the tobacco and oil industries than either of the respective industries make actually making and producing products.

How bout a old BMW tax, would you ditch your cars just because there was a 240 dollar a year federal tax on just e30's no other old BMW just E30's. Say this tax was paid in 20 dollar installments on the 1st of each month would you dump the e30 or just save the extra 20 bucks a month from some where else?????????????? Same damm thing as SIN taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First off, that's impossible. For the government to make more money off taxes than the company itself is making, there would have to be a >100% tax rate. Think about it, then get back to me.

And yes, I would pay that $240 per year tax because I love my car that much. But if it were $24,000? No fucking way. See what I did there? Increased price means decreased demand. It's the first fucking thing you learn in Econ in high school. It's not rocket science or voodoo, just simple Keynesian economics.

[kylebes1]

Are you going to write it in English? If so, you may want to reconsider.

BTW, Georgia is the 4th least highest cigarette tax state! Congrats!

This is for Political Science. Also you should check your source material. Georgia's tax is $0.37 per pack making it one of the lowest.

[mrsleeve]

Really? So if cigarettes cost $1 each, just as many people would start smoking as if they cost $100 each? That's an interesting theory you have there. :loco:



First off, that's impossible. For the government to make more money off taxes than the company itself is making, there would have to be a >100% tax rate. Think about it, then get back to me.

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Ok

oil industry The companies pay a federal lease to drill the shit, they pay a tax on every barrel of crude they pull outta the ground. Then you have to move the product crude and have to pay taxes on the pipe lines that move the crude and Refined products. All those prices are worked into the wholesale price of Gas, diesel, and other fuels. Now you have the 18.9 cents for gas and the 24.8 cents per gallon + what ever your state tax on fuels is at the pumps, and in many states you have to pay sales tax on that tax. Big oil makes 9-12% profit per gallon if refined product and the Govt. taxes at the pump are more than that per gallon much of the time, that dose not include the leases and drilling transporting taxes.


Tobacco, IIRC when a pack of smokes is bought it costs about $1.90-$2.30 for the companies that make the product and their profits are built into that again about 10-12%, now the taxes vary from state to state but the cost of smokes is a good 4.50-5.00+ in many places before this new tax. Now the SIN taxes on tobacco in many places has surpassed the total cost of the product to be produced and brought to market thats you well over 100% tax

If you remembered your econ , its not the total cost of the product that you have to surpass in taxes to make more money you just have to surpass the profit rate. As the production companies have over head to pay and anything over that is PROFIT or MAKE MONEY. The GOVT. has no over head invested in this product, thus they make more money on the product that the producing companies.

Did you even take econ, I did not and still seem to have a better handle in this shit than you do.

[TwoJ's]

Really? So if cigarettes cost $1 each, just as many people would start smoking as if they cost $100 each? That's an interesting theory you have there. :loco:

And yes, I would pay that $240 per year tax because I love my car that much. But if it were $24,000? No fucking way. See what I did there? Increased price means decreased demand. It's the first fucking thing you learn in Econ in high school. It's not rocket science or voodoo, just simple Keynesian economics.

You are again using silly logic. Come up with an example of something that is even remotely relative to the real world and get back to us.

[Massive Lee]

Tax collected on tobacco are surely lower than what it costs the governement due to the harmfull nature of tobacco. If the governement could, they surely would prefer to totally ban tobacco. The same debate has happened in Canada. Problem is that there are lawsuits attached to such a commercial ban, and thousands of tobacco workers at stake.

To put the tobacco industry down, it would simply requires that this industry becomes responsible of the damages it creates. Send them all the medical bills associated to tobacco. It won't be long before the industry goes bankrupt. But then what to do with its workers?

[Farbin Kaiber]

But then what to do with its workers?

They can go to Obama's required volunteer schooling program,then into the volunteer Public Service program, then be shuttled into the new bureaucratic jobs the Government needs to create for them. We already know they are good at lying and ripping people off.

[mrsleeve]

Tax collected on tobacco are surely lower than what it costs the governement due to the harmfull nature of tobacco. If the governement could, they surely would prefer to totally ban tobacco. The same debate has happened in Canada. Problem is that there are lawsuits attached to such a commercial ban, and thousands of tobacco workers at stake.

To put the tobacco industry down, it would simply requires that this industry becomes responsible of the damages it creates. Send them all the medical bills associated to tobacco. It won't be long before the industry goes bankrupt. But then what to do with its workers?

Lee. its personal choice to smoke. if you choose to the you suffer the possible consequences of that action. By now every one on earth knows that is bad for you and may kill you. For fucks sake their is a warring on every god dammed pack. You get should get nothing in law suits and from the govt for this choice. Now in the terms of health care there can be some gray areas and I will not go into that.

If our Govt. would put all the sin tax from tobacco into a trust for treating tobacco related issues in the future there would be more than enough money. But Like I said earlier they dont they piss it away on other stupid shit and thus we have the delema and debates we have going on now.

[Maluco]

Are you going to write it in English? If so, you may want to reconsider.

BTW, Georgia is the 4th least highest cigarette tax state! Congrats!

This is for Political Science. Also you should check your source material. Georgia's tax is $0.37 per pack making it one of the lowest.

LOL, wat?

is "the fourth least highest" not the same as "one of the lowest"?

[z31maniac]

I don't smoke, but I wonder if any of idiotic sin tax loving fags would think this was OKif they tried to do the same thing to alcohol?

How many people die of liver disease? What percentage of car and motorcycle accidents are alcohol related? Domestic violence?

Sleeve and TwoJs are just trying to show you the light. Corvallis you continue to show how mentally impotent you are.

[TwoJ's]

I don't smoke, but I wonder if any of idiotic sin tax loving fags would think this was OKif they tried to do the same thing to alcohol?

How many people die of liver disease? What percentage of car and motorcycle accidents are alcohol related? Domestic violence?

Sleeve and TwoJs are just trying to show you the light. Corvallis you continue to show how mentally impotent you are.

Easy there tiger, no need to get offensive.

And is there even a national liquor tax? I know that there is state alcohol tax, and WA has one of the highest. I couldn't believe the prices when I went to NV, AZ, ID and CA. And you can buy booze at fucking grocery stores. That makes me jealous.

[Pinepig]

I don't smoke, but I wonder if any of idiotic sin tax loving fags would think this was OKif they tried to do the same thing to alcohol?

How many people die of liver disease? What percentage of car and motorcycle accidents are alcohol related? Domestic violence?

Sleeve and TwoJs are just trying to show you the light. Corvallis you continue to show how mentally impotent you are.

I'm having a hard time even coming up with something to point out the fail in this post, it's just epic.

[Maluco]

I'm having a hard time even coming up with something to point out the fail in this post, it's just epic.

all I've seen is the OP's grammar and reading comprehension... the topic is a good one.

[z31maniac]

I'm having a hard time even coming up with something to point out the fail in this post, it's just epic.

Point it out, I can handle someone having a different opinion.

[Maluco]

raising the price isn't really going to do much IMO unless it's a huge increase. With that said, this is all tax increase, right? It's just the same old BS that helps float different agendas and budgets. If they really wanted to curb something that kills people and costs 1.89789 Gigawattbillions, would between thirty cents to a couple of dollars really be the aim?