U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade

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  • 87e30
    R3V Elite
    • Jul 2008
    • 5676

    #1

    U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade

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    The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better.

    U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the United States would support the talks as long as the negotiating forum, the so-called Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty, "operates under the rules of consensus decision-making."

    "Consensus is needed to ensure the widest possible support for the Treaty and to avoid loopholes in the Treaty that can be exploited by those wishing to export arms irresponsibly," Clinton said in a written statement.

    While praising the Obama administration's decision to overturn the Bush-era policy and to proceed with negotiations to regulate conventional arms sales, some groups criticized the U.S. insistence that decisions on the treaty be unanimous.

    "The shift in position by the world's biggest arms exporter is a major breakthrough in launching formal negotiations at the United Nations in order to prevent irresponsible arms transfers," Amnesty International and Oxfam International said in a joint statement.

    However, they said insisting that decisions on the treaty be made by consensus "could fatally weaken a final deal."

    "Governments must resist US demands to give any single state the power to veto the treaty as this could hold the process hostage during the course of negotiations. We call on all governments to reject such a veto clause," said Oxfam International's policy adviser Debbie Hillier.

    The proposed legally binding treaty would tighten regulation of, and set international standards for, the import, export and transfer of conventional weapons.

    Supporters say it would give worldwide coverage to close gaps in existing regional and national arms export control systems that allow weapons to pass onto the illicit market.

    Nations would remain in charge of their arms export control arrangements but would be legally obliged to assess each export against criteria agreed under the treaty. Governments would have to authorize transfers in writing and in advance.

    The main opponent of the treaty in the past was the U.S. Bush administration, which said national controls were better. Last year, the United States accounted for more than two-thirds of some $55.2 billion in global arms transfer deals.

    Arms exporters China, Russia and Israel abstained last year in a U.N. vote on the issue.

    The proposed treaty is opposed by conservative U.S. think tanks like the Heritage Foundation, which said last month that it would not restrict the access of "dictators and terrorists" to arms but would be used to reduce the ability of democracies such as Israel to defend their people.

    The U.S. lobbying group the National Rifle Association has also opposed the treaty.

    A resolution before the U.N. General Assembly is sponsored by seven nations including major arms exporter Britain. It calls for preparatory meetings in 2010 and 2011 for a conference to negotiate a treaty in 2012.
    Originally posted by z31maniac
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  • z31maniac
    I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
    • Dec 2007
    • 17566

    #2
    They just wanted to overturn a "Bush-era policy."

    I need to do some more reading on this particular subject before I could offer even a semi-informed opinion.
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    • 87e30
      R3V Elite
      • Jul 2008
      • 5676

      #3
      Originally posted by z31maniac
      They just wanted to overturn a "Bush-era policy."

      I need to do some more reading on this particular subject before I could offer even a semi-informed opinion.
      Yeah, that's just it. My sends me these super biased e-mails and I haven't done much research. I'm curious what this really means, the article does make sense though, I mean if it were to somehow pass it could limit individuals rights to guns.
      Originally posted by z31maniac
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      No need for discretion.

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      • mrsleeve
        I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
        • Mar 2005
        • 16385

        #4
        this is a back door around the 2ed amendment you know.

        by signing a treaty and getting the senate to ratify it they make it legally binding with and enforceable to WE THE PEOPLE with out so much as an OZ of debate and standard law making process. A treaty can be done behind closed doors with no over site at all.

        What is the Definition of the a Illicit market????? I am sure in most of the countries this is going to be negotiated with the general population will be the Illicit market, as guns are banned for personal possession right now.

        DO we really want the UN and other countries telling us what we can and cant buy or have based on what might happen, especially when it comes to our Constitutional rights ????

        I too will have to do some more reading into this particular topic, this is just my initial gut reaction to it. And may be why we have heard nothing on gun restrictions form this admin. we know its a HUGE priority to restrict gun rights. So may be this is how they intend to do it, by treaty, quietly in the middle of the night and then SURPRISE BUTT SEXORS turn em all in boy's
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        • Wiglaf
          E30 Mastermind
          • Jan 2007
          • 1513

          #5
          Originally posted by mrsleeve
          I too will have to do some more reading into this particular topic, this is just my initial gut reaction to it. And may be why we have heard nothing on gun restrictions form this admin. we know its a HUGE priority to restrict gun rights.
          I think you are biased, read too many articles with the ads nearby saying "LIBERALS WANT TO TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY" :hitler:
          Not that you are alone, I'm fully expecting all sorts of kneejerk arguments from people just because a democrat touched legislation that has the word "weapon" in it.

          Half the south votes republican just based on this fear alone, it's pretty much hardwired at this point.
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          Originally posted by u3b3rg33k
          If you ever sell that car, tell me first. I want to be the first to not be able to afford it.

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          • 87e30
            R3V Elite
            • Jul 2008
            • 5676

            #6
            Originally posted by Wiglaf
            I think you are biased, read too many articles with the ads nearby saying "LIBERALS WANT TO TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY" :hitler:
            Not that you are alone, I'm fully expecting all sorts of kneejerk arguments from people just because a democrat touched legislation that has the word "weapon" in it.

            Half the south votes republican just based on this fear alone, it's pretty much hardwired at this point.
            The way I see it, if the administration doesn't intend to use this treaty to limit our gun rights then what is the point in talking about it? And if there are good reasons to join into the treaty (which there could be, I don't know) and the administration has no intent on limiting our gun rights I still don't like it because it cracks the door open.

            I don't like international treaties, can't we all just look after ourselves?
            Originally posted by z31maniac
            I just hate everyone.

            No need for discretion.

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            • mar1t1me
              E30 Modder
              • Sep 2009
              • 863

              #7
              Meanwhile, US gun and ammunition sellers laugh all the way to bank....

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              • z31maniac
                I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
                • Dec 2007
                • 17566

                #8
                Originally posted by 87e30
                can't we all just look after ourselves?
                Nope, big brother needs to make all your decisions for you.
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                • mrsleeve
                  I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 16385

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Wiglaf
                  I think you are biased, read too many articles with the ads nearby saying "LIBERALS WANT TO TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY" :hitler:
                  Not that you are alone, I'm fully expecting all sorts of kneejerk arguments from people just because a democrat touched legislation that has the word "weapon" in it.

                  Half the south votes republican just based on this fear alone, it's pretty much hardwired at this point.
                  I think you are a sheep that put far too much faith in govt and not enough in your self.

                  Do I really have to go dig up all the big 0 quotes where he blatantly comes out about his intentions to go after the 2ed amendment.
                  Originally posted by Fusion
                  If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                  The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                  The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                  Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
                  William Pitt-

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                  • Wiglaf
                    E30 Mastermind
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 1513

                    #10
                    maybe, i didn't think it was on the plate.
                    As far as the treaty is concerned, our gun makers should be allowed to compete. But if this is a tank or jet developed with taxpayer money, I don't want to see them being sold overseas. Because you know that money isn't coming back to us.
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                    Originally posted by u3b3rg33k
                    If you ever sell that car, tell me first. I want to be the first to not be able to afford it.

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