Israel just doesn't get it...

[jrhaile]

Please answer the question. How was the land taken? When? By whom?

Lee, you're useless. If you want to make a point, then make a point and don't ask for a history lesson.

[ACMF74]

Very good debate from both sides, but I think this will never end until one unfortunately is completely taken out.

[Aptyp]

What do you think Israel has ben doing with Gaza? Open the TV. It's all there in the news. At least, the Germans didn't bomb Warsaw as hard as the Israelis did on Gaza...

Honestly, I wouldn't bomb a place I plan to occupy either. That's just a bad military tactic.

[jrhaile]

Honestly, I wouldn't bomb a place I plan to occupy either. That's just a bad military tactic.

They didn't need to but you can bet your ass they would have if needed.

[dvs909]

still dont understand what Israel did wrong here.

[jrhaile]

still dont understand what Israel did wrong here.

Nothing. You have a bunch of anti-Israel schmucks trying to condemn Israel and blame them for all the problems in this world. It's like the media, when it comes to Israel, is reading straight from Mein Kampf. Pretty sickening actually.

[Dozyproductions]

lulz at a hitler reference.

[jrhaile]

lulz at a hitler reference.

:hitler::hitler::hitler::hitler::hitler::hitler::h itler::hitler::hitler::hitler::hitler::hitler::hit ler::hitler::hitler::hitler::hitler::hitler::hitle r::hitler:

[mrsleeve]

Didnt we have a thread about this about a year ago that got locked. ????


Brian- Even MSNBC covered the apology tour heavily surely you say 0 in Egypt, Germany UK, and else where saying HOW ARROGANT and Unscrupulous the USA is and that it saddens him that we cant be friends with the Extreme Muslims countries. Just google it, its easier.

[briansjacobs]

first of all, I think it is perfectly ok for the new president to apologize for the old presidents fuck up. Most of the world thought Bush was sociopath. Letting the world know that things are different now is a good thing. That is not appologizing for being a super power or saying we are sorry we are better, it is saying "I dont know what that last asshole was thinking when he went to war in the wrong country, I wont make the same mistake."

another thing, people are saying that the US has abandoned Isreal and we are no longer behind them. Bullshit, the USA is 100% behind Isreal, however it still needs to play nice with all the other boys and girls in the sandbox. But rest assured if push comes to shove everyone in the sandbox knows where we will stand.

[jrhaile]

first of all, I think it is perfectly ok for the new president to apologize for the old presidents fuck up. Most of the world thought Bush was sociopath. Letting the world know that things are different now is a good thing. That is not appologizing for being a super power or saying we are sorry we are better, it is saying "I dont know what that last asshole was thinking when he went to war in the wrong country, I wont make the same mistake."

another thing, people are saying that the US has abandoned Isreal and we are no longer behind them. Bullshit, the USA is 100% behind Isreal, however it still needs to play nice with all the other boys and girls in the sandbox. But rest assured if push comes to shove everyone in the sandbox knows where we will stand.

I agree with this post for the most part. I'm not a fan of apologizing for someone's "mistakes." Had he left out the apology part and stuck to the "we're better now" part I wouldn't have had much of a problem with it.

And I hope you're right about backing Israel. Been nice debating with someone who actually has an opinion.

[mrsleeve]

first of all, I think it is perfectly ok for the new president to apologize for the old presidents fuck up. Most of the world thought Bush was sociopath. Letting the world know that things are different now is a good thing. That is not appologizing for being a super power or saying we are sorry we are better, it is saying "I dont know what that last asshole was thinking when he went to war in the wrong country, I wont make the same mistake."

another thing, people are saying that the US has abandoned Isreal and we are no longer behind them. Bullshit, the USA is 100% behind Isreal, however it still needs to play nice with all the other boys and girls in the sandbox. But rest assured if push comes to shove everyone in the sandbox knows where we will stand.

If thats what he had done, I would have been fine with it, the whole I am not the last guy thing. But he basicly said he was sorry to be American, he says America is NOT a special place, and that we should all be sorry for what America is. Not just the unilateral actions of one mediocre president

[briansjacobs]

If thats what he had done, I would have been fine with it, the whole I am not the last guy thing. But he basicly said he was sorry to be American, he says America is NOT a special place, and that we should all be sorry for what America is. Not just the unilateral actions of one mediocre president

that is not what I am getting out of it at all. I do not have the actual text in front of me but to say that America is not special is to mean that America does not have a special set of rules and the rules of the rest of the world do not apply to us. We are sorry for the wrong that has been done in the past and we recognize it and are working to better our relationships here in the middle east. That is how I interpert it.

I think people that are anti Obama have a way of looking at things and picking apart every word and trying to make it into something bad. I do not see that. I do think the thing Obama could have done to make the middle east really trust him is to continue with war crime investigations on high ranking US officials, even in his own party, Im not just talking about Bush and Chenney but also Pilosi. Even if nothing sticks do an ivestigation and let the world know we are not just sorry, but we will make sure it does not happen again!

[briansjacobs]

I agree with this post for the most part. I'm not a fan of apologizing for someone's "mistakes." Had he left out the apology part and stuck to the "we're better now" part I wouldn't have had much of a problem with it.

And I hope you're right about backing Israel. Been nice debating with someone who actually has an opinion.

to me part of being a man is being able to say you are sorry and admiting you are wrong, because the victim can not start to trust you unless they know you mean to do better in the future, it is like that with your wife, your girlfriend, your brother and your boss, why not with another country.

Are you so arrogant that you think you have to be right all the time? Arrogance is part of the image problem we have, why not try to humble for once, it that does not work we can go back to bombing people!

[dvs909]

i like the idea of going back to bombing people.