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  • joshh
    R3V OG
    • Aug 2004
    • 6195

    #1

    Government trying to control the media...new rules being pushed.




    FTC control...

    U.S. federal guidelines concerning the disclosure of endorsements or incentives will set a new standard for online advertisers. The revised guidelines are intended to address hidden endorsements and incentives in a variety of new media, including blogs and word of mouth media. The rules are broad enough to affect activity on forums, Twitter and social networks.

    (The various statements of fact made in this article concerning the guidelines come from the text of the FTC Guidelines: see, “Guides Concerning the Use of Endorsements and Testimonials in Advertising,” 16 C.F.R. Part 255. A hyperlink to a download of the full text of the rules can be found at the end of this article.)

    The guidelines, promulgated by the United States’ Federal Trade Commission, go into effect on December 1, 2009 and and are intended to regulate endorsements by consumers, experts, organizations, and celebrities, as well as requiring the disclosure of “material connections” between advertisers and endorsers.

    The term “endorsement” is defined as:

    …any advertising message … that consumers are likely to believe reflects the opinions, beliefs, findings, or experiences of a party other than the sponsoring advertiser, even if the views expressed by that party are identical to those of the sponsoring advertiser.

    The definition is clearly broad enough to cover social media, blogging and posts made on review sites or forums.

    The standard applied to social media is stated in this passage:

    The Commission does not believe that all uses of new consumer-generated media to discuss product attributes or consumer experiences should be deemed “endorsements” within the meaning of the Guides. Rather, in analyzing statements made via these new media, the fundamental question is whether, viewed objectively, the relationship between the advertiser and the speaker is such that the speaker’s statement can be considered “sponsored” by the advertiser and therefore an “advertising message.” In other words, in disseminating positive statements about a product or service, is the speaker: (1) acting solely independently, in which case there is no endorsement, or (2) acting on behalf of the advertiser or its agent, such that the speaker’s statement is an “endorsement” that is part of an overall marketing campaign? The facts and circumstances that will determine the answer to this question are extremely varied and cannot be fully enumerated here, but would include: whether the speaker is compensated by the advertiser or its agent; whether the product or service in question was provided for free by the advertiser; the terms of any agreement; the length of the relationship; the previous receipt of products or services from the same or similar advertisers, or the likelihood of future receipt of such products or services; and the value of the items or services received.


    Right from the pages of Socialists and Dictators. Hope you like who you voted into office.
    Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.

    "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison

    ‎"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" Barack Obama
  • pureaudio
    E30 Enthusiast
    • May 2009
    • 1123

    #2
    So how long before we see people getting sued for forum posts and Facebook updates.
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    • joshh
      R3V OG
      • Aug 2004
      • 6195

      #3
      Originally posted by pureaudio
      So how long before we see people getting sued for forum posts and Facebook updates.


      I don't think it's going to be that civil. If they get their way, you'll start seeing arrests.
      Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.

      "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison

      ‎"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" Barack Obama

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      • mrsleeve
        I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
        • Mar 2005
        • 16385

        #4
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
        Oh I bet I will make that list
        Originally posted by Fusion
        If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
        The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


        The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

        Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
        William Pitt-

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        • BDK
          Mod Crazy
          • Jul 2008
          • 684

          #5
          Right from the pages of Socialists and Dictators. Hope you like who you voted into office.
          did you actually read it?

          I don't think it's going to be that civil. If they get their way, you'll start seeing arrests.
          paranoid abit aren't we?

          simple terms since there were no pictures provided...

          If you go on a public forum and suggest or review a product or service, you must reveal if you were compensated in anyway because this may make your review a little biased,,,

          for example...
          Ever see a race car driver standing there in his Napa Uniform, wearing his Napa Hat with his Napa Race Car in the background....
          if you watch closely, you will see the words,
          "Jimmy Bo Bob is a paid endorsee of Napa Autoparts" or something simular....

          See, that was painless and almost silly that we have to even say it but if you are a big, dumb fan of Jimmy Bo Bob and you only buy Napa cuz he says so and then later find out

          "Well hell,he was paid to say all that nice shit about Napa, I didn't know that, I would have never bought that can of hair grease if I had known that"

          get the point now,

          No, Hitler is not coming to your door tonight,it is called truth in advertising...

          You teabaggers are really starting to scare me a bit...
          You guys need some "T"herapy that is for sure...

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          • pureaudio
            E30 Enthusiast
            • May 2009
            • 1123

            #6
            Originally posted by BDK
            did you actually read it?


            paranoid abit aren't we?

            simple terms since there were no pictures provided...

            If you go on a public forum and suggest or review a product or service, you must reveal if you were compensated in anyway because this may make your review a little biased,,,

            for example...
            Ever see a race car driver standing there in his Napa Uniform, wearing his Napa Hat with his Napa Race Car in the background....
            if you watch closely, you will see the words,
            "Jimmy Bo Bob is a paid endorsee of Napa Autoparts" or something simular....

            See, that was painless and almost silly that we have to even say it but if you are a big, dumb fan of Jimmy Bo Bob and you only buy Napa cuz he says so and then later find out

            "Well hell,he was paid to say all that nice shit about Napa, I didn't know that, I would have never bought that can of hair grease if I had known that"

            get the point now,

            No, Hitler is not coming to your door tonight,it is called truth in advertising...

            You teabaggers are really starting to scare me a bit...
            You guys need some "T"herapy that is for sure...
            So if you were given a skid plate and casually mentioned in a thread here that it is a quality piece but forgot to mention it was given to you by the company, you would be Ok with being sued? How far does this go, if you are having a casual conversation with someone in person do you have to do the same if you said that skid plate was worth getting? This is not a magazine ad or a televised commercial, this is control in your everyday life. How much control in your life are you Ok with really? Good god, calling people teabaggers who need therapy because of not wanting this is unbelievable. This is not a conservative issue, this is not a republican issue and this is not a tea party issue, if you are a fucking American you should be pissed at things like this.
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            • joshh
              R3V OG
              • Aug 2004
              • 6195

              #7
              Originally posted by BDK
              did you actually read it?


              paranoid abit aren't we?

              simple terms since there were no pictures provided...

              If you go on a public forum and suggest or review a product or service, you must reveal if you were compensated in anyway because this may make your review a little biased,,,

              for example...
              Ever see a race car driver standing there in his Napa Uniform, wearing his Napa Hat with his Napa Race Car in the background....
              if you watch closely, you will see the words,
              "Jimmy Bo Bob is a paid endorsee of Napa Autoparts" or something simular....

              See, that was painless and almost silly that we have to even say it but if you are a big, dumb fan of Jimmy Bo Bob and you only buy Napa cuz he says so and then later find out

              "Well hell,he was paid to say all that nice shit about Napa, I didn't know that, I would have never bought that can of hair grease if I had known that"

              get the point now,

              No, Hitler is not coming to your door tonight,it is called truth in advertising...

              You teabaggers are really starting to scare me a bit...
              You guys need some "T"herapy that is for sure...

              Interesting that you ask me if I've read it when you clearly didn't understand it if you did actually read it.
              You can no longer just add small words whether the person was paid or not.
              Where does the first amendment start and end with this issue? This is yet one more step toward more and more Government control over what you say and do.
              Do you really need to be told that a guy ON TV IN AN ADD was actually paid by a company to say something good about a product? What about on a forum? Is the Government going to chase down every person that talks good about a product on every forum for gods sake? To make sure they haven't been paid to say something good about said product. God forbid a consumer do research and investigate a product before they buy it.

              It's one more step toward Government control of what the Media and advertisers can say and do.
              Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.

              "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison

              ‎"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" Barack Obama

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              • Farbin Kaiber
                Lil' Puppet
                • Jul 2007
                • 29502

                #8
                More dumbing down of our society. If you don't realize when and what advertising is, you shouldn't be consuming. We really are getting more stupid.

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                • mrsleeve
                  I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 16385

                  #9
                  Originally posted by BDK
                  did you actually read it?


                  paranoid abit aren't we?

                  simple terms since there were no pictures provided...

                  If you go on a public forum and suggest or review a product or service, you must reveal if you were compensated in anyway because this may make your review a little biased,,,

                  for example...
                  Ever see a race car driver standing there in his Napa Uniform, wearing his Napa Hat with his Napa Race Car in the background....
                  if you watch closely, you will see the words,
                  "Jimmy Bo Bob is a paid endorsee of Napa Autoparts" or something simular....

                  See, that was painless and almost silly that we have to even say it but if you are a big, dumb fan of Jimmy Bo Bob and you only buy Napa cuz he says so and then later find out

                  "Well hell,he was paid to say all that nice shit about Napa, I didn't know that, I would have never bought that can of hair grease if I had known that"

                  get the point now,

                  No, Hitler is not coming to your door tonight,it is called truth in advertising...

                  You teabaggers are really starting to scare me a bit...
                  You guys need some "T"herapy that is for sure...

                  This is why it says caveat emptor (let the buyer beware) on our fucking money.

                  A fool and his money are soon parted - Thomas Tusser

                  this is just another intrusion of the govt in to our lives in an effort to protect us from our selves, NOT THEIR JOB OR THEIR BUSINESS


                  If a Company has false claims in advertising the word will get around and they wont have anymore sales simple as that. Its called the free market, it will work it self out consequences for actions used to be an American value, now its all but forgotten for GOVT HELP ME make tell me what to do.
                  Originally posted by Fusion
                  If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                  The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                  The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                  Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
                  William Pitt-

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                  • joshh
                    R3V OG
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 6195

                    #10
                    Here's another....watch out it's from FOX.





                    Among the numerous proposals mentioned in the document are:

                    -- the creation of a "journalism" division of AmeriCorps, the federal program that places 75,000 people with local and national nonprofit groups annually;

                    -- tax credits to news organizations for every journalist employed;

                    -- establishing citizenship news vouchers, which "would allow every American tax payer to allocate some amount of government funds to the non-profit media organization" of their choice;

                    -- increased funding for public radio and television;

                    -- providing grants to universities to conduct investigative journalism;

                    -- increased postal subsidies for newspapers and periodicals;

                    -- a 5 percent tax on consumer electronics, which would generate roughly $4 billion annually, to pay for increased public funding.

                    But some critics are voicing concerns about the draft document, saying that if the government has any influence over the Fourth Estate, it could lead to a dizzying web of conflicting interests and the eradication of independent journalism.

                    "I find it dangerous for government to have a role in speech because the government gives and the government taketh away," Jeff Jarvis, an associate professor at the City University of New York's
                    Graduate School of Journalism, told FoxNews.com.

                    "Most of the ideas examined in this are politically untenable," Jarvis said. "The problem with this is that the FTC is trying to set an agenda here, that some sort of government intervention is necessary. It's a power grab by the FTC and it's also an example of one old power structure circling its wagons around another."

                    But the FTC stressed that the draft is just that -- a draft -- and it said it does not represent conclusions or recommendations by the agency. Officials cited excerpts from the document as their response to criticism:

                    "Rather, through this document, we seek to prompt discussion of whether to recommend policy changes to support the ongoing 'reinvention' of journalism, and, if so, which specific proposals appear most useful, feasible, platform-neutral, resistant to bias, and unlikely to cause unintended consequences in addressing emerging gaps in news coverage," the report reads.

                    The list of proposals is "no doubt incomplete," the report continues, and members of the public are encouraged to submit additional proposals.
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                    "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison

                    ‎"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" Barack Obama

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                    • BDK
                      Mod Crazy
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 684

                      #11
                      more and more companies are using public forums for selling...
                      they are also using "consumer reviews" to help sell their products...
                      say you search "E30 Skid Plate",
                      one comes up and also list several product reviews for people who supposedly bought said skid plate....
                      then later it is found out, that 5 of the 7 reviews listed were listed by the company selling them under false user ID's....
                      Restaurants, hotels all sorts of business are doing this now and it really isn't fair to someone who is looking for an honest review before purchasing/using a said service or product....

                      Sorry, but when you spout an all inclusive statement as this you do sound like a Teabagger:
                      Right from the pages of Socialists and Dictators. Hope you like who you voted into office.
                      I am surprise that there was no Hitler comment in there too

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                      • 4bangerfury
                        Grease Monkey
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 323

                        #12
                        Godwin's Law.

                        Back on subject. Trying to make sure I understand this.

                        hypothetical situation:
                        The skid plate company gives me a skid plate for whatever reason. Maybe I won it in a raffle or they were feeling generous or I'm racing a spec e30 and want their sticker on my car.

                        I install it, I like it, I feel it's a well thought out and produced product.

                        I mention this skid plate on my blog or facebook or twitter. At some point I need to make it known that the company gave me it at no cost to me and I won't have to worry about the FTC knocking on my door?

                        alternate: In conversation with a friend he tells me he's looking for a skid plate and I recommend the one that was given to me. I forget to mention I was given mine for free. Am I in trouble? How does FTC find out?

                        From what I understand, the issue it with the line being blurred between a sponsored message and someone's opinion, yes or no?

                        If not, please enlighten me. This is one of the few forays away from school or car related reading I've made in awhile.

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                        • Restoman
                          E30 Fanatic
                          • Jun 2006
                          • 1311

                          #13
                          This is just another way government is taking us by the hand and leading us. It's gotten old. A word to the Gov't get the fuck out of "everything". And by everything, I mean the small micro management shit.
                          i'lldoitforacaravan

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