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    Shocking news, self proclaimed D's not to swift with basic economics

    Not really scientific but an interesting read. none the less



    Originally posted by WSJ
    By DANIEL B. KLEIN

    Who is better informed about the policy choices facing the country—liberals, conservatives or libertarians? According to a Zogby International survey that I write about in the May issue of Econ Journal Watch, the answer is unequivocal: The left flunks Econ 101.

    Zogby researcher Zeljka Buturovic and I considered the 4,835 respondents' (all American adults) answers to eight survey questions about basic economics. We also asked the respondents about their political leanings: progressive/very liberal; liberal; moderate; conservative; very conservative; and libertarian.

    Rather than focusing on whether respondents answered a question correctly, we instead looked at whether they answered incorrectly. A response was counted as incorrect only if it was flatly unenlightened.

    Consider one of the economic propositions in the December 2008 poll: "Restrictions on housing development make housing less affordable." People were asked if they: 1) strongly agree; 2) somewhat agree; 3) somewhat disagree; 4) strongly disagree; 5) are not sure.

    Basic economics acknowledges that whatever redeeming features a restriction may have, it increases the cost of production and exchange, making goods and services less affordable. There may be exceptions to the general case, but they would be atypical.

    Therefore, we counted as incorrect responses of "somewhat disagree" and "strongly disagree." This treatment gives leeway for those who think the question is ambiguous or half right and half wrong. They would likely answer "not sure," which we do not count as incorrect.

    In this case, percentage of conservatives answering incorrectly was 22.3%, very conservatives 17.6% and libertarians 15.7%. But the percentage of progressive/very liberals answering incorrectly was 67.6% and liberals 60.1%. The pattern was not an anomaly.

    The other questions were: 1) Mandatory licensing of professional services increases the prices of those services (unenlightened answer: disagree). 2) Overall, the standard of living is higher today than it was 30 years ago (unenlightened answer: disagree). 3) Rent control leads to housing shortages (unenlightened answer: disagree). 4) A company with the largest market share is a monopoly (unenlightened answer: agree). 5) Third World workers working for American companies overseas are being exploited (unenlightened answer: agree). 6) Free trade leads to unemployment (unenlightened answer: agree). 7) Minimum wage laws raise unemployment (unenlightened answer: disagree).

    How did the six ideological groups do overall? Here they are, best to worst, with an average number of incorrect responses from 0 to 8: Very conservative, 1.30; Libertarian, 1.38; Conservative, 1.67; Moderate, 3.67; Liberal, 4.69; Progressive/very liberal, 5.26.

    Americans in the first three categories do reasonably well. But the left has trouble squaring economic thinking with their political psychology, morals and aesthetics.

    To be sure, none of the eight questions specifically challenge the political sensibilities of conservatives and libertarians. Still, not all of the eight questions are tied directly to left-wing concerns about inequality and redistribution. In particular, the questions about mandatory licensing, the standard of living, the definition of monopoly, and free trade do not specifically challenge leftist sensibilities.

    Yet on every question the left did much worse. On the monopoly question, the portion of progressive/very liberals answering incorrectly (31%) was more than twice that of conservatives (13%) and more than four times that of libertarians (7%). On the question about living standards, the portion of progressive/very liberals answering incorrectly (61%) was more than four times that of conservatives (13%) and almost three times that of libertarians (21%).

    The survey also asked about party affiliation. Those responding Democratic averaged 4.59 incorrect answers. Republicans averaged 1.61 incorrect, and Libertarians 1.26 incorrect.

    Adam Smith described political economy as "a branch of the science of a statesman or legislator." Governmental power joined with wrongheadedness is something terrible, but all too common. Realizing that many of our leaders and their constituents are economically unenlightened sheds light on the troubles that surround us.

    Mr. Klein is a professor of economics at George Mason University. This op-ed is based on an article published in the May 2010 issue of the journal he edits, Econ Journal Watch, a project sponsored by the American Institute for Economic Research. The article is at:
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    Originally posted by Fusion
    If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
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    #2
    I attribute my changing political views to a better understanding of economics than I had before. The great thing is that for a lot of political issues you can make informed decisions based on economic theory as opposed to listening to BS from political pundits and biased media. So yeah this article makes sense. HOWEVER, some of the questions are subjective such as the ones pertaining to living standards and exploitation of foreign workers. Oh and the question of free trade leading to unemployment is a trick question. Sure, employment may go up in one of the partner countries but it will also go down in another.
    Last edited by LBJefferies; 06-09-2010, 11:26 PM.

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      #3
      Originally posted by LBJefferies View Post
      I attribute my changing political views to a better understanding of economics than I had before. The great thing is that for a lot of political issues you can make informed decisions based on economic theory as opposed to listening to BS from political pundits and biased media. So yeah this article makes sense. HOWEVER, some of the questions are subjective such as the ones pertaining to living standards and exploitation of foreign workers.
      Wow h0lmes I am impressed, you are slowly coming around. I have hope for you yet.

      I dont deny that some things in this are subjective but still its a window into your kinds brain
      Originally posted by Fusion
      If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
      The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


      The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

      Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
      William Pitt-

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        Originally posted by LBJefferies View Post
        I attribute my changing political views to a better understanding of economics than I had before. The great thing is that for a lot of political issues you can make informed decisions based on economic theory as opposed to listening to BS from political pundits and biased media. So yeah this article makes sense. HOWEVER, some of the questions are subjective such as the ones pertaining to living standards and exploitation of foreign workers. Oh and the question of free trade leading to unemployment is a trick question. Sure, employment may go up in one of the partner countries but it will also go down in another.

        This is a trick isn't it?
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          #5
          Originally posted by z31maniac View Post
          This is a trick isn't it?
          almost has to be, but I will admit he has been showing some flashes of enlightenment as of late
          Originally posted by Fusion
          If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
          The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


          The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

          Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
          William Pitt-

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            #6
            Hard to imagine any possible outcome of this type of study other than for republicans to beat over the heads of democrats to "prove" that they are dumb.

            I'd like to know the proportions of how many people were what, and where the poll was taken (most sites are totally skewed one way or the other).

            Totally explainable though. I would almost always expect a group of republicans to understand economics better. Unless there is a particular issue that they are adamant about people tend to vote with their wallets. And let's face it, if you are making below average salary then you probly aren't an economic genius and will also vote for someone that caters to the poor instead of the rich. Those questions were pretty subjective, could totally see people voting without even thinking about it.
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              Originally posted by Fusion
              If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
              The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


              The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

              Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
              William Pitt-

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                #8
                bump

                didn't want to start another thread over this, seemed to fit in here:

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                Originally posted by u3b3rg33k
                If you ever sell that car, tell me first. I want to be the first to not be able to afford it.

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                  #9
                  Read the whole paper - very interesting read.

                  It makes a lot of sense though. Most liberals/progressives tend to view the world from an illogical standpoint - taking into account things that really don't have an answering and ignoring pretty obvious rational thinking for the sake of "whatever" it is that they are in favor of at the time. They don't have a "doctrine" or "discipline" that roots their thoughts in fundamentals of anything.

                  Lots of examples of this are in the media today... it's too bad.
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