Obamma kick ass

[mrsleeve]

Are you guys going to make me write a god dammed book again?????????

Lets see what comes to the surface as to side stepped safety and engineering protocols, before we all lay criminal charges and jerk the knees.

If that be the case then BY ALL MEANS BURY BP. If it turns out to be an accident plagued by Murphy's law, or from a best practices judgment call, then really SHIT HAPPENS.

Hey what about the FEDs that are supposed to have Equipment and contingency plans in effect and ready to be deployed at any time. Thanks to the Oil Pollution act. The feds and EPA blocked many environmental protection measures right from day one and has turned away help from over a dozen countries many of them oil producers with experience and equipment because he failed to suspend the Jones Act for this disaster.

I suggest you look to the Govt as much as BP for this, and not the Bush admin either this sits squarely on the 0's shoulders. There were and have been many miss steps by this admin to reduce environmental damage, but they were neglected and now we have what we have. I suspect, the neglect has been purposeful as it furthers the political agenda.

[Lof8]

How can you plan for a situation you have NEVER encountered?

Noone could have even fathomed needing to stop a leak at the bottom or contain a spill?????

Are you serious? Do you never plan for anything you do? Everything is reactionary? NO. People need to have foresight and anticipate potential problems. Its amazing that you can't seem to grasp THAT.

I've also noticed that many of those who are siding with BP and downplaying the seriousness of this oil spill are out west or are nowhere near the Gulf. Those of us who are close and feel the effects first-hand can see the real damage. To be expected, I suppose.

[nando]

safety mechanisms were circumvented, it is amazing you cant seem to grasp that. Not only did they make changes to the safety mechanisms they did not properly document the changes so when they attempted to fix problems the stuff they went to fix was not even there! When there was a problem instead of shutting down the rig, they wanted to keep pumping and used a "band aid" and there band aid failed. That is why they are to blame, and it is not just an "accident"

an engineer here talked to me about it (oil industry). There were supposed to be 26 gaskets installed with the BOP's. They only used 6, and they weren't even put in right. Yeah, the guys running that rig screwed up big time. They knew it wasn't right from the beginning.

[briansjacobs]

Do you even know what I was getting at?

How can you plan for a situation you have NEVER encountered? All the big oil companies have the same plans in place, all drawn up by a company up in Jersey. And numerous safety mechanisms failed, it happens.

It's amazing you guys can't seem to grasp that.

safety mechanisms were circumvented, it is amazing you cant seem to grasp that. Not only did they make changes to the safety mechanisms they did not properly document the changes so when they attempted to fix problems the stuff they went to fix was not even there! When there was a problem instead of shutting down the rig, they wanted to keep pumping and used a "band aid" and there band aid failed. That is why they are to blame, and it is not just an "accident"

[z31maniac]

Do you even know what I was getting at?

How can you plan for a situation you have NEVER encountered? All the big oil companies have the same plans in place, all drawn up by a company up in Jersey. And numerous safety mechanisms failed, it happens.

It's amazing you guys can't seem to grasp that.

[dj01540i6sp]

Bp & o

Maybe it is BP strategy to get the USA to stop Drilling in the Gulf, So they can continue to be the King Supplier.

Let it fill the Gulf and make it fair game for every one, Put BP out of Business. No need for any more Drilling Permits and a lot of people could capitalize on it. Good for the economy, Black Gold and all the New Jobs it would Create. The Gulf/Dead Sea!!!

[Lof8]

^Ya know, if you didn't drive a car, they wouldn't have to drill for oil.

much truth in this, but the oil companies make enough profit to be much better prepared for these kinds of things.

[z31maniac]

^Ya know, if you didn't drive a car, they wouldn't have to drill for oil.

[Lof8]

The main thing I'm getting tired of hearing is Obama and Congress saying, "We are going to make BP pay!!!!11!1!1!!1!"

When the entire time from the beginning BP has said they will pay for all clean-up, damages, lost wages, etc.

No amount of money is going to "fix" it, especially the environmental damage.

The fact that there are millions of barrels of oil in the Gulf MEANS that proper precautions WERE NOT TAKEN.

I don't care if they followed every Government mandate, they still fucked up horribly.

I still don't see why anyone at BP needs to have their butt kicked.

Because they are poisoning the Gulf of Mexico, killing the fish and birds, and ruining the fishing and tourism industry. I would love to personally kick the shit out of them.

Right. Because it's completely possible to plan for EVERY CONTINGENCY.

When this is the possible result, more planning is absolutely necessary. If nothing else, an effective response team/plan would be great. How long has it been and this sludge is still pouring out? Fucking gross negligence by BP and other companies too.

[joshh]

Here I looked it up for you. OSHA violations, 760, pretty terrible.

http://www.businessinsider.com/bp-has-been-fined-by-osha-760-times-has-an-awful-track-record-for-safety-2010-6

The main thing I'm getting tired of hearing is Obama and Congress saying, "We are going to make BP pay!!!!11!1!1!!1!"

When the entire time from the beginning BP has said they will pay for all clean-up, damages, lost wages, etc. Obama and Congress continually saying that implies that BP is trying to skirt their responsibility, in effect, demonizing them in the public eye.

First that article is designed as a slap to BP not just information.
What were the fines for? I could care less if they had 10k fines, what were they for? It does matter.

BP received an award for the Government what just 10 days before the exposition. This isn't just a BP problem.

[z31maniac]

Here I looked it up for you. OSHA violations, 760, pretty terrible.

http://www.businessinsider.com/bp-has-been-fined-by-osha-760-times-has-an-awful-track-record-for-safety-2010-6

The main thing I'm getting tired of hearing is Obama and Congress saying, "We are going to make BP pay!!!!11!1!1!!1!"

When the entire time from the beginning BP has said they will pay for all clean-up, damages, lost wages, etc. Obama and Congress continually saying that implies that BP is trying to skirt their responsibility, in effect, demonizing them in the public eye.

[z31maniac]

731 on this ship? All ships combined?

Qualify your statement a bit more and provide a source.

[briansjacobs]

how about this then, the average in the industry for knowingly ignoring safety procedures is less than 10, BP had 731 citations before the Deep Water Horizons explosion. I am sure someone try to defend that, but I am not sure how you could do reasonably, as the proof is 11 people are dead and Gulf will more than likely be a dead zone for some time.

[z31maniac]

some people should not breed

Right. Because it's completely possible to plan for EVERY CONTINGENCY.

[87e30]

It was entertaining.