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Gun rights, meh.....glad we have 'em but......
The argument that everyone needs to be armed to keep the government at bay is nuts. They can kill you remotely now, not to mention they have vastly superior firepower at hand.
The argument for home defense is illogical as well. Statistically, you are more likely to be killed by the gun you bought to protect you than you are to be protected from harm by it.
That said, more kids die in swimming pools than by accidental shootings each year but no one is screaming for a swimming pool ban.
In the end, if you like guns, buy 'em and enjoy 'em but don't act like you're some great patriot just because you are armed. You're not. You're just another guy with a gun. If everyone were armed, the ERs would be full of low-income people that can't afford treatment who shot themselves or someone nearby because they couldn't figure out how the fucking thing works. Yes, many people are that stupid. Similarly, if all guns vanished overnight, people would still kill each other as they have for ages.Comment
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Just logged in to post this.
And, for the above post, If you don't know how to properly handle a gun via natural human logic (don't direct the BOOM end at anything important to you, loaded or not) then you probably should shoot yourself. And as a fact, real gun owners, (those who don't aim sideways) are the people that you'd want carrying when fake gun owners walk into the store you are getting gas at.Comment
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If only we could let that kind of immediate Darwinism take its course! But after the first dozen or so idiots whacked themselves there would certainly be a rash of new regulations to protect the new gun owners from themselves and the species will continue to get less intelligent. Training might be required, but then people would bitch and moan about how having to pass the training was infringing on their right to carry their gun just as bad drivers complain that strictly administered driver testing deprives them of their "right" to drive. No such right exists, but that kind of logic doesn't stop stupid people. ;)
That's the problem. You can't tell until the shooting begins, and then it's too late.Comment
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nice this is good. I still remain to be flustered to see how the very plain and simile wording of the 2a has needed 2 SCOTUS cases in the last year to clarify its intent.The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de TocquevilleOriginally posted by Fusion
The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
I think the 2A is anything BUT clear. Yes, the second half says: the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Clear enough. And if the intent of the framers was to guarantee the right of any citizen to arm themselves, they could have stopped there, but there's that "well regulated militia" part. At the time it was written, there was a clear need for citizenry, who in the absence of organizations like the National Guard, were a significant line of defense to be armed and able to use said arms. There was also much more parity between the arms a citizen was likely to keep as opposed to what an invading party might possess.
What is the National Guard, if not a well regulated militia? What is well regulated about a bunch of independent gun owners? No one can seem to answer those questions....not even the courts.Comment
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GOD dammit. Again you are going to make me write a book to explain to you what the 2a means
Gun laws Only disarm those only who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Can it be supposed that those who have the courage to violate the most scarred laws of humanity the most important of the code, will respect the less important and arbitrary ones, which can be violated with ease and impunity, and which if strictly obeyed, would put an end to personal liberty. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants. These laws are not preventive but fearful of crimes, produced by the tumultuous impression of a few isolated facts and not by thoughtful consideration- Thomas Jefferson 1764 quoting Italian Marquis Beccaria, in his "commonplace Book" . Jon Addams used a similar quote during the Boston Massacre trail
Gun control is a example of False Unity, a backwards and irrational approach to crime and prevention that will only make the problem of criminal violence worse. -Thomas jefferson
When the government fears the people there is Liberty, when the people fear the government then there is tyranny - Thomas Jefferson
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that is what it all boils down to, it has nothing to with stopping crime it has to do with power, control and fear. Why do you think the fed are considering suspending Miranda rights to citizens IF you are suspected of terrorism. That can turn into anyone of us
This argument has been going on since before the birth of the nation. This is why the founders gave us the 2ed amendment. If anyone of these idiots would read the Constitution then we really would not have these problems.
They dont even know whats in the laws they are passing now why in the fuck would you think they have any idea as to whats in old laws let alone understand what they mean, especially when its counter to their agenda. Even courts dont want to mess with it because it will not further the greater agenda of both parties and that is ultimate control over the citizenry, and you cant have that when WE THE PEOPLE still have a means to defend our selves from oppressive govt and one another should the need ever arise.
Now on to the militia and shall not be infringed.
The feds define all able bodied men 17-45 and not in the military and former military up to age 64 as part of the Militia. There for if shit hits the fan an organization is called every one in that demographic is expected to show up "Bearing ARMS" You must provide your own weapons. And since you have been called up it would not be a good Idea to show up with a fucking musket when the forces you will be facing have modern weaponry to the time. This is why its implied that we have the ability to own what ever is available to the modern foot solider, as during the revolution, the Patriots had arguably better arms than did the British, Rifles in many cases vs the brits and their smooth bore muskets.
Now as to the "regulated" part. This does not mean you go out a play army in the woods of southern MI with your buddies on the week end. Regulated in the instance of the 2a, as written means disciplined in the use of your own arms, or proficient
and know how to use them. ( Regulate 3: to fix or adjust the time, amount, degree, or rate of <IE regulate the pressure of a tire> - Websters)
So to close "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State" Means that Personal gun owner ship is necessary right for with out it there would be no Militia at all, and you argue that a Militia is NECESSARY to a free state so there for personal gun ownership is necessary to the security of a free state right. These provisions go hand in hand for with out one there would not be the other and Vice Versa.
Both historicity and constitutionally the militia argument both you and the gun grabbers are trying to use to quantify the 2a holds no water what so ever, Please try againLast edited by mrsleeve; 06-28-2010, 09:26 PM.The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de TocquevilleOriginally posted by Fusion
The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
William Pitt-Comment
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yay guns! Good thing I already have a bunch, because my ass is so broke I couldn't buy one if everyone was suddenly given free concealed carry permits!Comment
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Golly thanks for telling me what I already know.
The 4 of them that voted it down, how scary.Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.
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What I mean is that NYS won't give me a concealed permit because I don't meet their criteria to warrant one. I also think that all pistol owners should have a mandatory test and classroom instruction. Why they don't have one is beyond me. All I had to do was wait 6 months and pay a $200 plus fee. (No wonder homeowners shoot themselves)
When I was 16 y/o, I had to complete several hours of classroom instruction and a pass a written test to get my hunting license. At an early age this taught me to give all firearms a new respect.
I hope a new law comes out about firearm safety.Comment
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