Prop 8

[LBJefferies]

How about some real statistics...


http://www.thebody.com/index/whatis/gaymen_stats.html

http://www.thebody.com/content/whatis/art56526.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/he...8hiv.html?_r=3


Any other statistics you want?

For the third time, the gay marriage debate has nothing to do with sex or std's. This is about granting certain legal rights to same sex couples. Gay men are going to continue to have sex and HIV is going to continue to be transmitted regardless of whether they can marry or not.

[reelop19]

Ewww penis in a butthole is nasty

[fiftytakedowns]

lmao

:up:

[BraveUlysses]

for the third time, the gay marriage debate has nothing to do with sex or std's. This is about granting certain legal rights to same sex couples. Gay men are going to continue to have sex and hiv is going to continue to be transmitted regardless of whether they can marry or not.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

THIS JUST IN

Monogamous relationships spread AIDS

[joshh]

For the third time, the gay marriage debate has nothing to do with sex or std's. This is about granting certain legal rights to same sex couples. Gay men are going to continue to have sex and HIV is going to continue to be transmitted regardless of whether they can marry or not.

For the tenth time it is because they want to be able to adopt children. Making those children a risk for HIV and AIDS.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

THIS JUST IN

Monogamous relationships spread AIDS

HOLY FUCKING SHIT AT A MUCH LOWER RATE. Logic you missed it yet again.

[BeLzEbUb58]

Ironic how the same gays/lesbians that want to get married also want to attend church.

[briansjacobs]

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As for seniors spreading aids in assisted living centers, I don't think the elderly are careless and having unprotected sex. Bad analogy.

bad analogy? do some research! This is from AARP, not some crazy blog from an atheist, but AARP

http://www.aarp.org/relationships/love-sex/info-02-2008/aids_prevention_for_50plus_pushed.html

[briansjacobs]

And all you guys can do is say NA AH to my points and "that's ridiculous". Yeah you're great at debating. Mr. Kettle....


All it's going to take is the next batch of freaks to come out and demand they get "equal rights".
Gays have equal rights and by all your posts you know it's true. Marriage has always been about a man and a woman. Thankfully most Americans agree with me.
It only takes one gay activist judge to kill morality.

actually I give you hard facts, you ignore all of them! have not come up with a real rebutal for a single FACT (not opinion) that I have presented.

[briansjacobs]

How about some real statistics...


http://www.thebody.com/index/whatis/gaymen_stats.html

http://www.thebody.com/content/whatis/art56526.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/he...8hiv.html?_r=3


Any other statistics you want?

still not sure what your point it. Yes AIDS/HIV is prevalant in the gay male community. What does that have to do with same sex marriage? Further more what does that have to do with gay women? and even further more what does that have to do with monogamous same sex relations?

You are not only a propagandist, you are a fear monger.

[joshh]

Joshh is just like AIDS,
1.ignore him and he will go away.
2.are real pain in the ass
3. fill in the blank, how far will this go?

seeing how brought aids up a couple times in your arguement against same sex marriage I thought you would like that.

that is where you are wrong again, scientist have shown that there is homosexual behaviour in almost every species studied, and I have given you one of the studies in the past. You may choose to disbelieve, but you can not subsititute shit you pull out of your ass for facts.

the gays that I know could not care less what anybody thinks about them. As a matter of fact they would rather you not even think of them and let them carry on with their own lives. They are tolerant to everyones way of life, the problem is that tolerance is not returned. As far as if it is natural or not, scientific studies have shown that it is perfectly natural, So you can believe it is unnatural and you will be just as correct as if you believed the sun revolved around the flat earth.

if a state decides they do not want to honor the consititution of the united states of america and vote to impose their religous beliefs on others they simply need to seceed from the union. good luck defending the wall between mexico then!

are you seriously sticking to this stupid argument?

my four year old son who I think may be on the same mentality level has something to say,:crazy::crazy:
:hitler::pimp:

There was a saying I had when teaching about road rage that I think really applies to our friend joshh. "anyone going slower than me is an asshole and anyone going faster than me is a lunatic and needs to be blocked"

basically anyone in disagreement with him is wrong and there is no changing there mind about it.

it is funny how you point out people going straight for the insults and then you immediatly dish them out yourself.

so here is a thought, by your point that "most americans agree with you and that is why it will be overturned" let us say Americans all the sudden vote to repeal the right to bear arms? Would you stand by the majority then?

Joshh, the office of Joseph Goebbels called, they want to offer you a position


http://www.aolnews.com/article/prop-...7?ncid=webmail

Joshh, I was not calling you a nazi, however your hate speech against gays could be branded as such, I was merely calling you a propagandist as the materail you reference is unfounded and is sheer propaganda. Saying the Judge is a gay activist but you are unable to produce any evidence that the judge has done any activism. So either give facts or STFU. You have not rebutted a single thing you say with actual evidence of any kind. you point to internet blogs all of which I have debunked.

actually I give you hard facts, you ignore all of them! have not come up with a real rebutal for a single FACT (not opinion) that I have presented.

Which "cold hard facts" are you referring to. I don't see one there.

[joshh]

You want to talk about the gey judge....LOL. So because someone is labeled a 'conseravtive" means they can't be gay now. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....that takes the cake.

http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/w/vaughn_r_walker/index.html

Since those days, several published reports have stated that the judge is himself gay. In February 2010, The San Francisco Chronicle called it an "open secret." Critics have argued that his sexual orientation was a source of bias that should have disqualified him from hearing the Proposition 8 case. Judge Walker has declined to discuss the matter.

[matt]

How can straight people get this worked up over this stupid shit?

Gay bashing is going to be the racism of the next century. Homophobes will eventually be thought of as being as ridiculous as the KKK are now.

The rest of the world thinks we are stupid for even worrying about this, let alone voting the way CA did.

[briansjacobs]

You want to talk about the gey judge....LOL. So because someone is labeled a 'conseravtive" means they can't be gay now. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....that takes the cake.

http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/ref...ker/index.html

ok, let say for arguements sake he is gay. Why should that disqualify him any more than a straight person? If a person of religion oversees it they are biased because of religion, if an atheist oversees they are immoral and the list goes on.

[briansjacobs]

Which "cold hard facts" are you referring to. I don't see one there.

most of our links going back and forth have been in different forums, mostly you saying homosexual is unnatural and me posting links to scientific studies that it is perfectly natural. here is a quick link now.

http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx

and most of the links I have posted in this thread are directed to mark

[joshh]

ok, let say for arguements sake he is gay. Why should that disqualify him any more than a straight person? If a person of religion oversees it they are biased because of religion, if an atheist oversees they are immoral and the list goes on.

It would be great if it were a perfect world wouldn't it. We vote in politicians who's to say they're crooked?

Point is it does matter and few if anyone is unbiased when they are voting on something THEY PERSONALLY ARE ACTIVE IN. That's just the way it is in real life. That's just common sense.