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    Judge orders protections reinstated for gray wolf
    By MATT VOLZ (AP) – 30 minutes ago
    HELENA, Mont. — A federal judge on Thursday reinstated Endangered Species Act protections for wolves in Montana and Idaho, saying the government made a political decision in removing the protections from just two of the three states where Rocky Mountain wolves roam.
    U.S. District Judge Donald Molloy said in his ruling that the entire Rocky Mountain wolf population either must be listed as an endangered species or removed from the list, but the protections for the same population can't be different for each state.

    Last year, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service turned over wolf management to Montana and Idaho wildlife officials but left federal endangered species protections in place for wolves in Wyoming, where state law is considered hostile to the animals' survival.

    "Even if the Service's solution is pragmatic, or even practical, it is at its heart a political solution that does not comply with the ESA," Molloy wrote in his ruling.
    Defenders of Wildlife, the Greater Yellowstone Coalition and other wildlife advocates sued the federal government after the Fish and Wildlife Service decision in April 2009. They argued that the government's decision would have set a precedent allowing the government to arbitrarily choose which animals should be protected and where.

    The decision puts a halt to wolf hunts in Montana and Idaho planned for this fall. Montana wildlife regulators last month set the wolf-hunt quota at 186, more than doubling last year's number, with the aim of reducing the state's wolf population.

    Gray wolves were listed as endangered in 1974, but following a reintroduction program in the mid-1990s, there are now more than 1,700 in the Northern Rockies.
    Doug Honnold, an attorney for EarthJustice representing the plaintiffs, said he was gratified by the ruling, though he is sure there will be another chapter to the story.

    "For today, we are celebrating that the approach we thought was flatly illegal has been rejected. The troubling consequences for the Endangered Species Act has been averted and the wolf hunts are blocked," Honnold said.

    #2
    Just go back to what was done before

    SSS


    Shoot, Shovel. Shut-up

    Dont get me wrong here its great to hear wolves on a winters night, and wolves are necessary part of the ecology, but that same sound will make your blood run cold if you hear it in the back country not more than a 100 yards away, no matter what you have on you.
    Last edited by mrsleeve; 08-05-2010, 04:41 PM.
    Originally posted by Fusion
    If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
    The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


    The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

    Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
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      #3
      Stupid wolves, thinking they were here first.

      Amazing.
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        #4
        You dont live in wolf county do you ;)
        Originally posted by Fusion
        If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
        The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


        The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

        Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
        William Pitt-

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          #5
          The judge probably saw this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa5OBhXz-Q&spf

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            #6
            ^

            Yes your right, Normally I am the 1st to hammer against the envirocommies, in this case they are correct though the video is a bit of exercise in theory.

            Wolves a very important part of the ecosystem for many of the reasons laid out in the above. That said you cant let them run rampant and unchecked either, when that happens you will have them in very short order grow to a popoulation that they eat them selves out of prey, then they start coming into greater contact with humans and have more serious altercations with them.

            Also when you leave a predatory animal "protected" for generations they lose their fear of humans. This coupled with a over population issue ans you can see where this might lead. Wolves are smart, very smart, in MT's first wolf hunt in decades in 08 there were 600 +/- tags issued (iirc though I cant remember if that was for the whole state or my regions ) by the end of the hunt most of those tags were filled. In the subsequent years hunts there have been more tags issued, but the fill rate have been going down (last I saw) The wolves have wised up and now fear human interaction again.

            We have a simiarl situation with the brown bear in the northern Rockies, where the population is very healthy but yet due to their protected status they have little to no fear of human population interaction. if we were have a limited hunt for them to manage the population a little bit, like the wolf much of that will all but go away again.
            Originally posted by Fusion
            If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
            The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


            The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

            Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
            William Pitt-

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              #7
              Yea I'm with you sleeve. It's funny how most people who agree with us on individual freedom have absolutely no regard for the environment.

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                #8
                They did fine before humans.

                Seems like human control is a good idea.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post
                  You dont live in wolf county do you
                  Originally posted by Fusion
                  If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                  The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                  The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                  Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
                  William Pitt-

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                    #10
                    Why would I?

                    There are no Japanese restaurants.
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                      #11
                      you might be surprised what you can find in wolf country in you know where too look
                      Originally posted by Fusion
                      If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                      The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                      The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                      Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
                      William Pitt-

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Andy.B
                        Whenever I am about to make a particularly questionable decision regarding a worryingly cheap diy solution, I just ask myself, "What would Ether-D do?"
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by kronus
                          would be in depending on tip slant and tube size

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                            #14
                            Swanny!
                            SUCKERS.

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