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    Appeals court decision — mud from logging roads is pollution






    Peninsula Daily News
    news services
    SAN FRANCISCO — A federal appeals court Tuesday decided that mud washing off logging roads is pollution and ordered the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to write regulations to reduce the amount that reaches salmon streams.

    The ruling could have wide-reaching implications for logging operations in the Pacific Northwest.

    A conservation group that filed the lawsuit said if the ruling by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals stands, logging roads on federal, state and private lands across the West will eventually have to be upgraded to meet federal Clean Water Act standards.

    Tuesday’s ruling — which is expected to be appealed — applies to the 9th Circuit states of Oregon, Washington, California, Arizona, Nevada, Idaho and Montana.

    “Those roads historically have gotten a free pass,” said Mark Riskedahl of the Northwest Environmental
    Defense Center in Portland.

    “This is not rocket science. There are some very low-cost, low-maintenance steps folks can take to remedy this problem.”

    The center had sued the Oregon Department of Forestry as well as a number of timber companies over sediment washing off two logging roads on the Tillamook State Forest in northwestern Oregon.

    The plaintiffs argued that storm runoff from forest roads carries gravel and sediment though a series of ditches and culverts into nearby rivers.

    They said it harmed native salmon and trout populations.

    Since the runoff was diverted by the roads, they argued it was what is called “a point-source discharge,” which requires a special permit under the Clean Water Act.

    A three-judge panel of the San Francisco-based appeals court unanimously agreed, finding that the sediment exceeded Clean Water Act limits — and should be regulated by EPA as a point source of industrial pollution.

    The judges rejected arguments from the state that the sediment falls under exemptions granted by Congress and less stringent regulations for things like agricultural runoff.

    Chris West, an attorney for the CRAG Law Center in Portland, which represented the center, said the EPA has long recognized sediment as one of the leading sources of water pollution in the country, and that it is harmful to fish, but has chosen not to address the issue of logging roads.

    Oregon Department of Forestry spokesman Dan Postrel said they were reviewing the ruling, and had no immediate comment on it.

    He added that while timber contracts often call for the buyer to pay for road maintenance, the cost ultimately falls to the agency, because the costs are deducted from payments.

    The issue is likely to bring further litigation on national forests, because so little logging goes on there, and roads originally built for logging are now used for other things, including recreation, said Andy Stahl of the conservation group Forest Service Employees for Environmental Ethics.

    The Oregon Forest Industry Council, which intervened in the case on the side of the department had no immediate comment, — but the prospects for an appeal to the full appeals court or the U.S. Supreme Court are high, said spokesman Ray Wilkeson.

    Last modified: August 17. 2010 6:22PM

    #2
    Next atoms will be poisonous.
    1985 M10b18. 70maybewhpoffury. Over engineered S50b30 murica BBQ swap in progress.

    Originally posted by DEV0 E30
    You'd chugg this butt. I know you would. Ain't gotta' lie to kick it brostantinople.

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      #3
      They should tear up the roads and make them walk then, bitches.

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        #4
        can we charge for life yet? if you cant pay...game over
        "God created turbo lag to give V8's a chance" Taylor D.

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          #5
          AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHH AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH AH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


          FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UU

          GOD FUCKING DAMMIT ALL TO MOTHER FUCKING HELL. FUCK YOU EPA FUCK................. FUCK YOU CALIFORNIA............................... FUCK YOU ACTIVIST JUDGES........................... FUCK YOU HIPPIE DOUCHE BAG waffleswaffleswaffleswafflesS THAT HAVE NOT IDEA HOW NATURE WORKS YOU WANT TO SAVE THE FUCKING EARTH KILL YOUR SELVES SO THERE WILL BE LESS HUMANS ON IT HURTING IT FUCK ALL OF YOU HIPPIE GREEN FUCKS.

          Yes Silting of Salmon streams is bad, but when its raining Most of the states and the FUCKING EPA already have measures in place that limit what you can do near a stream or creek that drains into a salmon stream (even when its not raining, if you want distirb it you normally have to wait till the dead of winter) and they will fine the fuck outta you for over silting a stream even with a permit Or going to close to whit out a permit or working near it.

          What about Mother FUCKING NATURE DO we have to secure all the dirt near the streams that would get washed into it form every where else in the bush???
          FUCK YOU ENVIRONMENTALIST'S AHHHHHHHHHH THIS SHIT IS GETTING FUCKING OUTTA HAND, 1st lead paint in houses, then DUST, now this shit, all this year.

          FUCK

          Edit: This will be just another instance of the Feds being able to use the EPA as a weapon against a industry that is hated by the Pinko Green Commie, waffleswaffleswaffleswaffles bags that now infest all levels of leadership.

          Chant it with me now. Hope and change................HOPE AND CHANGE.........................HOPE AND CHANGE
          Last edited by mrsleeve; 08-17-2010, 11:03 PM.
          Originally posted by Fusion
          If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
          The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


          The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

          Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
          William Pitt-

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            #6
            what he said/\ fuck you CA stupid motha fuckers...but cali girls damn no gettin past that
            "God created turbo lag to give V8's a chance" Taylor D.

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              #7
              We have some seriously whacked environmentalist liberal commies up here. There's no doubt about that.
              Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.

              "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison

              ‎"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" Barack Obama

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                #8
                I feel like I shat in sleeve's cereal.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber View Post
                  I feel like I shat in sleeve's cereal.
                  In this instance you mud his salmon.
                  1985 M10b18. 70maybewhpoffury. Over engineered S50b30 murica BBQ swap in progress.

                  Originally posted by DEV0 E30
                  You'd chugg this butt. I know you would. Ain't gotta' lie to kick it brostantinople.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber View Post
                    I feel like I shat in sleeve's cereal.
                    Did you expect a lesser reaction outta me on something like this????????????? Really


                    This effects your neighborhood too Bro. And will really fuck with farmers, ranchers, Construction, Logging Fun Recreation into the back country. This will not be good.

                    For fucks sake you cant hardely take a horse into the back country anymore now this shit

                    Really though the writing has been on the wall for some time that this shit was coming. SO not too surprised by this.

                    It did make me feel better.
                    Originally posted by Fusion
                    If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                    The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                    The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                    Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
                    William Pitt-

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Matt-B
                      hey does anyone know anyone who gets upset and makes electronics?

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                        #12
                        I could understand if the loggers were being assholes, you aren't supposed to clear to the point where mud is sliding around clogging up the river (which also violates the permits in the first place). But they're saying in this case hardly any logging is being done there.
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                        Originally posted by u3b3rg33k
                        If you ever sell that car, tell me first. I want to be the first to not be able to afford it.

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