Republicans are holding up Tax cuts from a bill that doesn't exist...

[gwb72tii]

all you have to know is this
EVERY TIME the cap gains tax rate has been lowered, cap gain tax receipts have gone UP
EVERY TIME the cap gains tax rate has been increased, cap gain tax receipts have gone DOWN

you want to soak the rich? lower marginal rates. it frees up capital that goes in motion throughout the economy.

guess what else
the top 1% of wage earners earn 21% of all income and pay 40% of all income taxes
the top 5% of wage earners pay more than the bottom 95% combined

THAT IS THE PROBLEM

[mrsleeve]

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Thank you


and Kansas GET A JOB AND EARN A LIVING, then get back to me. Then you will start to put the pieces of the REAL world together.

[Kansas]

THAT IS THE PROBLEM

It's only a problem if you're in the top couple brackets. Hate to break it to you, but employing a progressive income tax rate is the only way a modern state can function.

Have a source on the capital gains bit?

and Kansas GET A JOB AND EARN A LIVING, then get back to me. Then you will start to put the pieces of the REAL world together.

I'm sorry bud, did the argument get a little over your head?

[Vedubin01]

It's only a problem if you're in the top couple brackets. Hate to break it to you, but employing a progressive income tax rate is the only way a modern state can function.

[mrsleeve]

I'm sorry bud, did the argument get a little over your head?

nope not all, the shit coming outta your key board is espoused by 2 types of people, those that still have the idealism of youth and have yet to shed the Utopian theory that was forced down your throat during your education. Or those that have never entered the work force and pass them self off as professional intellectuals.

Oh wait there is a 3rd type those to stupid to know any better, and let the media and others make their decisions for them

Which one are you????

[Atreus]

It's only a problem if you're in the top couple brackets. Hate to break it to you, but employing a progressive income tax rate is the only way a modern state can function.

Plz xplain'

[Kansas]

You're welcome to make an actual argument and prove me wrong.

Which one are you????

You're trying to bait me into trading insults with you; it's not going to work. If you can't back up (or even make) a coherent argument and have to resort to personal attacks then don't bother posting.

Plz xplain'

It's the only way to generate enough revenue to run the government and support all the necessary infrastructure for a modern state. A flat tax rate would either place an undue burden on most of the population or leave the state bankrupt.

[Vedubin01]

You're welcome to make an actual argument and prove me wrong.

To argue with you would be would be pointless...

[mrsleeve]

You're trying to bait me into trading insults with you; it's not going to work. If you can't back up (or even make) a coherent argument and have to resort to personal attacks then don't bother posting.

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No that was not a personal attack and not an attempt to "bait" you into anything. It was an attempt to deduce where your idealism stems from. That info is pertinent to how much time I invest in this kinda thing.

To argue with you would be would be pointless...

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This and a waste of my time

[Kansas]

To argue with you would be would be pointless...

If you don't think you can make the argument then why bother posting? You guys are acting like I'm some kind of socialist because I don't see a problem with raising the top marginal tax rate 3%. It's fucking silly. You present me with a solid, well-supported argument and I've got little reason not to believe you.

No that was not a personal attack and not an attempt to "bait" you into anything. It was an attempt to deduce where your idealism stems from. That info is pertinent to how much time I invest in this kinda thing.

Hey if you can't make a decent argument just say so. All you're getting from me is that I definitely wouldn't consider myself an idealist, just a pragmatist.

[reelop19]

How can you not be an idealist? All you have suggested is a progressive/statist/socialist otherwise known these days as liberal ideology. I'm just saying that you don't have to be ignorant. History makes it all pretty obvious

[Kansas]

How can you not be an idealist? All you have suggested is a progressive/statist/socialist otherwise known these days as liberal ideology. I'm just saying that you don't have to be ignorant. History makes it all pretty obvious

I'm a socialist because I want lower taxes than Reagan? And US history shows pretty clearly that increased taxes on the rich does not hurt the economy.

If anyone here is blindly following ideals it's you and a few others.

[gwb72tii]

I'm a socialist because I want lower taxes than Reagan? And US history shows pretty clearly that increased taxes on the rich does not hurt the economy.

If anyone here is blindly following ideals it's you and a few others.

this is where you fail
go to any state in the union that has tried to soak the rich
it doesn't work. the rich, for the most part, are pretty smart. they avoid taxes where they can.
they fucking move away
it has never worked, and besides that, they pay more than their fair share as it is.
EVERYONE needs to pay something. that way everyone has skin in the game instead of asking for more and more.
shit
all of this info is readily available for anyone that wants to open their eyes.
its the same with obama's keynesian stimulus. there is no evidence anywhere in history that it has ever worked when its been tried. but there's evidence everywhere that tax cuts and lower tax rates stimulate and create jobs
so ask yourself. if the above is true, and it is, why would the libs want higher taxes??
i'll 'splain of you can't figure it out

[z31maniac]

A flat tax rate would either place an undue burden on most of the population or leave the state bankrupt.

That's why we need the FAIR TAX!

No more payroll taxes, capital gains/"death" taxes, no taxes on investments.

Just a national sales tax (that at current funding levels, although this should really be combined with spending cuts, would be approx 22%). Then you are only taxed on consumption vs your income. Hits the underground cash economy (these people do BUY things), etc.


Unfortunately this will NEVER happen because you suceed in gutting the IRS.

[joshh]

The amount of money the Government was raking in is not the problem. The way they spend it is.

The Democrats are going to get their asses handed to them because they think like Kansas. And the Republicans better figure it out fast.