Egypt unrest

[CorvallisBMW]

Don't you just love how every time someone posts a legitimate fact or statement joshh just replies with a completely rhetorical and useless sentence? The poor douchebag doesn't have the slightest clue about how the world works so he lashes out at liberals and whatever else he can find in order to make himself feel validated. I'd sure like to see him back up a single one of his tin-foil-hat statements.

Anyone: 'Hey joshh, i have a reputable source of facts to back up my ideas. Here they are in detail. What do you have?

Joshh: 'fucking liberal scum lol'

[kronus]

You're letting him get under your skin ;)

[Massive Lee]

... that lee seems to always forget about???

Who said that I forgot. Are you wishing for another widespread conflict in the Middle East?

[joshh]

...no. Read a book or two.

....uh yes.....


Where were the Egyptian planes hit? In the air...no. On the ground...yes....were they stored on Israel land ...no. Regardless of the economic threat Israel was under they struck first, that is a fact jack.

Don't you just love how every time someone posts a legitimate fact or statement joshh just replies with a completely rhetorical and useless sentence? The poor douchebag doesn't have the slightest clue about how the world works so he lashes out at liberals and whatever else he can find in order to make himself feel validated. I'd sure like to see him back up a single one of his tin-foil-hat statements.

Anyone: 'Hey joshh, i have a reputable source of facts to back up my ideas. Here they are in detail. What do you have?

Joshh: 'fucking liberal scum lol'

Funny how you put "reputable" in quotes. Nothing is reputable to you.

I've backed up plenty but I can't seem to overcome your blinders. No matter what I post you're going to ignore....lol. Tell me how the world works! "Hey I'm CorvallisBMW. I'm fresh out of college and I know that there are no bad people out there in the world. It's all rainbows and lollipops. Obama is here to save the world. YEEFUCKING HA!"
Your as bad as the Bush lovers.

Your real problem is if the words aren't EXACTLY what I said you put the blinders on. Just like Obama's health care bill having death panels. I can show you plenty of evidence but because your majesty Obama doesn't say THE EXACT WORDS, you ignore it.....LMFAO. But he sure does dance around the idea you and your family are the last ones to have a choice. Oh I see those blinders already.

[Farbin Kaiber]

I'll just leave this here...

http://io9.com/5746338/could-a-us-government-crackdown-take-america-off-the-internet

[dkbmxer002]

i have family that does business regularly in the middle east... every where she goes they love the u.s. . there is alot of miss information that people get about the middle east. my family travels to saudi and the emirates alot.

[Vedubin01]

I'll just leave this here...

http://io9.com/5746338/could-a-us-go...f-the-internet

Ive been following another thread in another forum about this subject. I wish I knew more about how this stuff worked. Some are saying you can still get out with a dial up connection, but if they take out the pots then that option is also off. Others are talking about HAM Radio internet as well, but jamming could disrupt that option.

I would like to hear from George or those in the know if this could really be done here and if so what options would someone have to get around it.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Aside from chatter on HAM, I'm not sure of many other options.

PM me a link, I'm interested in the read if it's not a member only forum.

[Vedubin01]

11:06pm Cairo neighborhoods are being policed by local residents wielding kitchen knives and hunting rifles, after the military called for civilians to protect their own property.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-east/2011/01/29/live-blog-291-egypt-protests

No government protection.... and left to defend their own. I hope they did not put all their trust into their gov. like many do here!

[Massive Lee]

You are stretching it a little. When will you start presenting the US administration as being the same dictatorship as the Egyptian government?

[bdracing]

Who said that I forgot. Are you wishing for another widespread conflict in the Middle East?

I am and its happening. Once you introduce democracy into an area that never had it, it spreads like a wildfire and the oppressed want to be free.

[Massive Lee]

I am and its happening. Once you introduce democracy into an area that never had it, it spreads like a wildfire and the oppressed want to be free.

Last time the US supposedly brought "democracy" to a Middle Eastern country, we know what happened... The US's vision of a balanced society doen't apply everywhere. Because in other regions, the society is not structured as in the US and "democracy" isn't what holds the society together. Not everyone dreams of a milk shake on Main street on Saturday night...

BTW I find interesting that suddenly, most everyone supports the uprising of the Egyptians against their corrupt dictatorship (which is supported by the US). Guess what happens if the governement changes a for a real representative one. It will most likely decide to keep its resources and means of transportation to itself. Including the Suez Canal (which was essentially why the US supported the Egyptian governement for over 40 years and to keep control on the Canal - Same as with Panama). And guess what goes thru the Canal? Fuel. Bro. Fuel.

So, yes. I am all for a widespread of liberties where people regain control over their resources, and not give them away to others. But, be carefull with what you wish for. BTW Did I forget to mention that Palestine has one of the very few democratically elected goverment in the Middle East.... And see how democracy is being crushed...

[dkbmxer002]

. Guess what happens if the governement changes a for a real representative one. It will most likely decide to keep its resources and means of transportation to itself. Including the Suez Canal (which was essentially why the US supported the Egyptian governement for over 40 years and to keep control on the Canal - Same as with Panama). And guess what goes thru the Canal? Fuel. Bro. Fuel.

people seem to forget this. but hey, lets bitch about how we want our cake and we want to eat it too.

[Vedubin01]

Bedouin tribesman have reportedly taken control of two towns in the Sinai Peninsula. These two towns are the closest to the Gaza Strip and right next to the border with Israel. There were reports yesterday that Bedouin tribes had besieged a police station in Suez and it appears that these riots have spread. This would effectively end the Mubarak dictatorship’s control of the region. There are no reports of the Egyptian military stepping in here.

The more disturbing news is a threat that has been made by the tribes if Mubarak does not step down. According to one report coming from Time Magazine, they are willing to attack the Suez Canal if Mubarak does not leave. The Suez Canal currently is where a third of the world’s oil and six percent of all products passes through. A seizure of the Canal could spike oil prices beyond the current $90 level, perhaps over $110. This could come to pass despite the fact that Egypt is not a major oil producer.

http://www.worldthreats.com/?p=5659

Hamas gunmen from Gaza battle Egyptian forces in Sinai

The Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, confirmed by its bosses in Damascus, to open a second, Palestinian front against the Mubarak regime. The Muslim Brotherhood is therefore more active in the uprising than it would appear.

Hamas gunmen went straight into battle with Egyptian Interior Ministry special forces (CFF) in the southern Egyptian-controlled section of the border town of Rafah and the Sinai port of El Arish...

http://www.debka.com/article/20608/

Other news...

Sudanese police clash with students in Khartoum

KHARTOUM — Sudanese police beat and arrested students on Sunday as protests broke out throughout Khartoum demanding the government resign, inspired by a popular uprising in neighboring Egypt.

Hundreds of armed riot police fired tear gas on students demonstrating in central Khartoum and in at least two universities in the capital, which were surrounded by police reinforcements. At one, students hurled stones at police cars.

Police beat students with batons as they chanted anti-government slogans like: "We are ready to die for Sudan" and "Revolution, revolution until victory."

Groups have emerged on social networking sites calling themselves "Youth for Change" and "The Spark," since the uprisings in nearby Tunisia and close ally Egypt this month.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41334956/ns/world_news-africa/

Egyptian looters destroy 2,000-year-old mummies in bid to steal King Tut's treasures

The army was on guard at Egypt’s most popular tourist sites last night after two 2,000-year-old mummies in the country’s national museum were destroyed by looters attempting to steal the treasures of King Tutankhamun.

Soldiers were positioned at the Pyramids and Cairo’s Egyptian Museum – the holding place for Tutankhamun’s priceless golden mask and other artifacts – on the fifth day of anti-government demonstrations in the country’s capital.

Nine men broke into the Egyptian Museum in the early hours of yesterday, taking advantage of damage caused to the building’s security by a fire in the neighbouring headquarters of the ruling National Democratic Party.

They were caught by police and a crowd of civilians while carrying out the skulls of two mummies and two statues estimated to be more than 2,000 years old.

One statue, believed to be of Tutankhamun, was broken into two pieces by the thieves, although officials said they hoped to be able to repair it.

Zahi Hawass, chairman of the Supreme Council of Antiquities, said: ‘They tried to attack and rob from the showcases of King Tut, but they failed. These people are criminals, they are not true Egyptians. The nine men were caught carrying skulls and two statues, one of which was broken. But the army are now guarding the museum and all the museums are now safe.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1351826/Egypt-protests-U-S-advises-Americans-leave-30-000-Brits-stranded.html

[CorvallisBMW]

^ The looting and destruction of Egyptian artifacts is a serious problem. The things contained within their various museums are, of course, priceless and irreplaceable. I sincerely hope the reports of the army being deployed to protect various historical sights and museums are true.

Last time the US supposedly brought "democracy" to a Middle Eastern country, we know what happened... The US's vision of a balanced society doen't apply everywhere. Because in other regions, the society is not structured as in the US and "democracy" isn't what holds the society together. Not everyone dreams of a milk shake on Main street on Saturday night...

BTW I find interesting that suddenly, most everyone supports the uprising of the Egyptians against their corrupt dictatorship (which is supported by the US). Guess what happens if the governement changes a for a real representative one. It will most likely decide to keep its resources and means of transportation to itself. Including the Suez Canal (which was essentially why the US supported the Egyptian governement for over 40 years and to keep control on the Canal - Same as with Panama). And guess what goes thru the Canal? Fuel. Bro. Fuel.

Very true on both counts. The Suez Canal is vital to world trade; if a government takes over in Egypt that has an un-friendly view of the west or of global trade, we could be in for a tough lesson.