one of these days

[gwb72tii]

we will elect leaders who actually lead
i'm no fan of obama, and i wasn't thrilled with W
but.......
obama isn't doing anyone any favors with his budget submitted to congress. its a fucking sad sad joke.
we, as a nation, have backed ourselves into a corner fiscally. we are being threatened internationally with the possibility of the US dollar losing its defacto world currency standard. china is making veiled threats about our debt.

and our president proposes new boondogle projects like high speed rail. he does nothing about entitlements. he fucking punted.

2013 cannot come soon enough

[joshh]

Obama's plan to turn this country into a Socialist controlled state is working so far.

[ck_taft325is]

Obama's plan to turn this country into a Socialist controlled state is working so far.

Shut the fuck up.



That is all.

[e30e]

Shut the fuck up.



That is all.

x2

[z31maniac]

Yeah, I like how they champion "reducing the defecit" to 3% in 10 years. That's great and all, but by then our interest payments on the debt will have QUADRUPLED to outpace Social Security spending.

Why not just, uhhhhh, you know, NOT spend more than we take in? The only way to avoid the continuing higher interest payments is to PAY DOWN the debt.

So if we are overspending by $1.5 TRILLION this year, how is cutting $60, $100, $500billion going to help?

[joshh]

Shut the fuck up.



That is all.

This is when I know I've hit the mark. Some conservatives actually think Obama cares about them and take the time to try making sense of the senseless. The reason it's senseless is you fail to see what he wants to do. Sorry bub the truth is the truth. It's by design if you can grasp the obvious.
Stick with what seems "sensible" so you look more credible to some of the other "reasonable" people here in P&R while ignoring the facts. Seems to be working for you.

[CorvallisBMW]

Bottom line is we will never each fiscal solvency until they start tackling entitlement programs. Discretionary non-defense spending makes up about 12% of the total budget. Even if they eliminated every single penny we'd still be running over $1 Trillion in debt every year.

The only way the US can solve it's debt problems is to touch the 3rd rail(s).

[deutschman]

kill them all!

[evandael]

joshh,

12:32am, 10:47am? you troll this board so hard i'm surprised it hasn't been renamed 'joshh's crackpot conspiracy corner'. your baseless, inflammatory, and self-proclaimed 'senseless' remarks and beliefs mark you as the person you truly are; democracies abortion. just because you don't like the overall sensibilities of our current figurehead does not mean that we are heading to hell.


i'm sorry you're butthurt that obama is in office. but the nation voted him in 2 years ago as an embodiment of ideals that we wanted. i'm not defending that he has delivered. far from it. but you cannot blame any man/woman in politics for not following their campaign promises to a tee. its impossible in out system of government.


in response to OP; i'm afraid the american century is nearing its end. this isn't sarcasm. its sad to look at the decline from mid-century on, in all respects; education, industry, politics, morality, and now, fiscal matters. but instead of getting so butthurt that we won't be on top any longer, we need to strengthen our economy to the point where we can be a world player, no longer a one-man show.

part of this lies in our ability to welcome free thought, innovation, tolerance, and open exchange of ideas. we are still a nation that is leaps and bounds above others, especially china, in that regard (though we have slipped up as of late). we need to welcome the smartest people, the most driven, the most promising, no matter what their ideologies are.

and now you see the problem we face.. we are falling susceptible to close-minded cry babies like joshh, who are afraid of something different than what they personally deem acceptable. those kind of people are the ones who go down with the sinking ship.

[z31maniac]

Bottom line is we will never each fiscal solvency until they start tackling entitlement programs. Discretionary non-defense spending makes up about 12% of the total budget. Even if they eliminated every single penny we'd still be running over $1 Trillion in debt every year.

The only way the US can solve it's debt problems is to touch the 3rd rail(s).

Yeah, it amazes me that we continue to ignore the big three while they account for nearly 60% of gov't spending.

[joshh]

joshh,

12:32am, 10:47am? you troll this board so hard i'm surprised it hasn't been renamed 'joshh's crackpot conspiracy corner'. your baseless, inflammatory, and self-proclaimed 'senseless' remarks and beliefs mark you as the person you truly are; democracies abortion. just because you don't like the overall sensibilities of our current figurehead does not mean that we are heading to hell.


i'm sorry you're butthurt that obama is in office. but the nation voted him in 2 years ago as an embodiment of ideals that we wanted. i'm not defending that he has delivered. far from it. but you cannot blame any man/woman in politics for not following their campaign promises to a tee. its impossible in out system of government.


in response to OP; i'm afraid the american century is nearing its end. this isn't sarcasm. its sad to look at the decline from mid-century on, in all respects; education, industry, politics, morality, and now, fiscal matters. but instead of getting so butthurt that we won't be on top any longer, we need to strengthen our economy to the point where we can be a world player, no longer a one-man show.

part of this lies in our ability to welcome free thought, innovation, tolerance, and open exchange of ideas. we are still a nation that is leaps and bounds above others, especially china, in that regard (though we have slipped up as of late). we need to welcome the smartest people, the most driven, the most promising, no matter what their ideologies are.

and now you see the problem we face.. we are falling susceptible to close-minded cry babies like joshh, who are afraid of something different than what they personally deem acceptable. those kind of people are the ones who go down with the sinking ship.

Yes I know I'm horing it up with three posts in two days (four including this one).
At some point you need to look at what made this country successful. One word, Capitalism. The further we fall from that system the worse this country gets. As this country itself is proving to itself. Yet people wonder why we are slowly failing.
Imagine what might have been if the US wasn't what it was in WWII. Utter control by both Japan and Nazi Germany. Only the English, Russians (them willing to throw their population away) and America stood up against the Nazis. And England was barely holding on.
You're assuming we have a problem that's a huge secret and that we need some special breed of human to figure it out. Many people refuse to see what made this country what it is (including yourself). That's just the problem. That some have an ideology that is against what made this country what it is. So no we do not need anyone with any ideology. That has been the problem not the solution.
There's no reason this country can't get back to it's roots and still take care of those who NEED the help. Political correctness, "fairness", reparations, lobbyists, and the idea that those who want help are the same as those who need help are things Americans have bought into that are twisting this country into financial and moral hardship.

Your sinking ship is having the idea that we need "something different".

Edit, to slightly expand on that last line. Stick with Capitalism and tweak what needs to be tweaked to make it easier on those that need help.

[ck_taft325is]

I'm not really sure I'm up for being called a Liberal or a Conservative.

More of a Person.

[CorvallisBMW]

Yeah, it amazes me that we continue to ignore the big three while they account for nearly 60% of gov't spending.

Remember though that SS is funded and paid for completely separate from the rest of the budget. It neither adds nor subtracts from the national debt in any way because it takes in it's own revenue.

Hence why any reforms to it were left out of the budget just released. It doesn't factor in to gov't spending the way everything else does. Even if we leave SS completely untouched it will remain solvent until 2037, at which point it will be able to pay out approximately 80% of it's benefits. And frankly the easiest way to help SS remain solvent it to raise the benefit age. When it was enacted, the average life expectancy in the US was 64 (payout begins at 65). Today it's near 80, no wonder $ is running out. Doesn't take a genius to see the math, yet no lawmaker has the guts to do anything about it.

[Farbin Kaiber]

^ So US citizens that pay into a service they have no choice over, and, they are supposed to work until they are 81?

[joshh]

I'm not really sure I'm up for being called a Liberal or a Conservative.

More of a Person.

Wasn't saying you weren't but my bad to that degree.