Sales of the GM Volt.

[rwh11385]

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120801/AUTO01/208010415/1121/auto01/Chevy-Volt-sales-jump--while-Nissan-Leaf-struggles

"Sales of its plug-in hybrid Chevrolet Volt rose again in July to 1,849, up over the 125 the company sold in July 2011. [...] In July, just 55 — or 3 percent — of Volt sales were to fleets. [...] For the first seven months, GM has sold 10,666 Volts, up 270 percent over the same period last year."

"Nissan Motor Co. said it sold just 395 Leafs in July, down 58 percent over July 2011. For the year, Nissan has sold 3,543, down 26.3 percent."

"Toyota Motor Corp. said it sold 688 plug-in electric Prius vehicles in July and has now sold 5,035 this year."



So Leaf sales have plummeted from last year, and Volt sales have grown... while the plug-in Prius has still half of Volt sales YTD. It seems consumers looking for a plug-in vehicle have spoken...

[Vedubin01]

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...Leaf-struggles

"Sales of its plug-in hybrid Chevrolet Volt rose again in July to 1,849, up over the 125 the company sold in July 2011. [...] In July, just 55 — or 3 percent — of Volt sales were to fleets. [...] For the first seven months, GM has sold 10,666 Volts, up 270 percent over the same period last year."

"Nissan Motor Co. said it sold just 395 Leafs in July, down 58 percent over July 2011. For the year, Nissan has sold 3,543, down 26.3 percent."

"Toyota Motor Corp. said it sold 688 plug-in electric Prius vehicles in July and has now sold 5,035 this year."



So Leaf sales have plummeted from last year, and Volt sales have grown... while the plug-in Prius has still half of Volt sales YTD. It seems consumers looking for a plug-in vehicle have spoken...

Yet it does not break down who is buying the Volt.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/...ng-fleet-cars/

Not saying they are all Volts but my guess it is a good number.

[rwh11385]

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...Leaf-struggles

"Sales of its plug-in hybrid Chevrolet Volt rose again in July to 1,849, up over the 125 the company sold in July 2011. [...] In July, just 55 — or 3 percent — of Volt sales were to fleets. [...] For the first seven months, GM has sold 10,666 Volts, up 270 percent over the same period last year."

"Nissan Motor Co. said it sold just 395 Leafs in July, down 58 percent over July 2011. For the year, Nissan has sold 3,543, down 26.3 percent."

"Toyota Motor Corp. said it sold 688 plug-in electric Prius vehicles in July and has now sold 5,035 this year."



So Leaf sales have plummeted from last year, and Volt sales have grown... while the plug-in Prius has still half of Volt sales YTD. It seems consumers looking for a plug-in vehicle have spoken...

Yet it does not break down who is buying the Volt.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/...ng-fleet-cars/

Not saying they are all Volts but my guess it is a good number.

"In July, just 55 — or 3 percent — of Volt sales were to fleets."


My guess is you need new reading glasses. Or half an ounce of effort.

But good to know you are still stuck making wild claims instead of an actual informed opinion.

[rwh11385]

And if you spent a tiny bit of effort to find the information you asked about, instead of just guessing it's a "good number"...

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120802/AUTO01/208020493/1361/GAO-report--Federal-auto-fleet-up-7--in-6-years

GSA buys the vehicles for two-thirds of the federal fleet, acquiring about 65,000 new vehicles annually. The U.S. Post Office owns and buys the remaining vehicles

I'd say a "good number" of the federal fleet are mail trucks...

The General Services Administration — which oversees most of the federal government's vehicle fleet — announced it was buying 116 plug-in electric vehicles, including 101 extended-range Chevrolet Volts and 10 battery electric Nissan Leafs.

101 / 10,666 = ... ?

[Vedubin01]

"In July, just 55 — or 3 percent — of Volt sales were to fleets."


My guess is you need new reading glasses. Or half an ounce of effort.

But good to know you are still stuck making wild claims instead of an actual informed opinion.

In my article it states nothing of the volt sales douche...

And that is just July statistics quoted in your post. There are many departments/agencies that buy cars that don't fall under "fleet" sales.

[rwh11385]

In my article it states nothing of the volt sales douche...

And that is just July statistics quoted in your post. There are many departments/agencies that buy cars that don't fall under "fleet" sales.

Well, why the shit did you post something about the federal fleet if you weren't trying to undercut their sales numbers?

You said "Yet it does not break down who is buying the Volt." and then posted an article about the federal fleet, although it did split out the fleet numbers. Certainly looked like you were too focused on alleging it's all the government buying them instead of actually reading my post.

Even so, if you weren't lazy or simply looking to throw out presumptions instead of finding facts, then you could have easily found the actual number of Volts being bought by the federal government.

[Vedubin01]

even though my article did discuss the rise of fleet sales, it was more of read between the lines. The sales are inflated by the government with a huge interest in the well being of General Motors. The definition of "Fleet" sales is any sale of more than 10 cars classifies as "fleet". How many of those sales that you posted were purchased by government but did not classify as "Fleet?"

If you can find that number Id be interested in reading your source.

[rwh11385]

even though my article did discuss the rise of fleet sales, it was more of read between the lines. The sales are inflated by the government with a huge interest in the well being of General Motors. The definition of "Fleet" sales is any sale of more than 10 cars classifies as "fleet". How many of those sales that you posted were purchased by government but did not classify as "Fleet?"

If you can find that number Id be interested in reading your source.

Dude, your "read between the lines" is just make up random allegations without ANY facts to back you up. AS USUAL. If people want to discuss topics, they should perform the rest of the world the courtesy of actually becoming informed before throwing "ideas" out there.

Obviously since GM owes them a big loan, they do have interest... but that doesn't mean you should make suggestions without do any research. Who are you Glenn Beck?

http://www.gsa.gov/portal/content/102943

If you look at the inventory and acquisitions for 2011:
Between the American Battle Monuments Commission, Broadcasting Board of Governors, Consumer Product Safety Commission, Court Services and Offender Supervision Agency, Department of Agriculture, Department of Commerce, Department of Education, Department of Energy, Department of Health and Human Services, Department of Homeland Security, Department of Housing and Urban Development, Department of Justice, Department of Labor, Department of State, Department of the Interior, Department of Transportation, Department of Treasury, Department of Veterans Affairs, Environmental Protection Agency, Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, Federal Communications Commission, Federal Housing Finance Agency, Federal Trade Commission, General Services Administration, Government Printing Office, Library of Congress, National Aeronautics and Space Administration, National Archives & Records Administration, National Gallery of Art, National Labor Relations Board, National Science Foundation, Nuclear Regulatory Commission, Office of Personnel Management, Peace Corps, Small Business Administration, Smithsonian Institution, Social Security Administration, Tennessee Valley Authority, US Agency for International Development, Corps of Engineers - Civil Works, Defense Agencies, Department of Air Force, Department of Army, Department of Navy, United States Marine Corps, and the U.S. Postal Service...

There was a total Federal government inventory of 9 plug-in gas hybrids with 6 acquisitions. Since the Volt was the only plug-in gas hybrid in 2011, you can probably safely assume that they were Volts.

They were bought for Dept of Ag (2), Dept of Veteran Affairs (4), with the remaining inventory belonging to Dept of Veteran Affairs. (I'm going to guess if they are in inventory and not bought, they are leased... but the guideline document is 165 pages if you want to see for sure)

Source: The organization that buys or leases all the federal governments cars...

All in all, they acquired:
65,081 vehicles in 2007
64,729 vehicles in 2008
68,445 vehicles in 2009
63,794 vehicles in 2010
54,999 vehicles in 2011

Not really an OMG them Feds be buying so many more cars than before! Mostly because they are buying just as many as they did before - actually less than or same as two of the last 5 years. But who needs context?!

If you really want to know how many they bought or operated and with what agencies, try end of January 2013 for the current year's report.

[Vedubin01]

Miami Beach is is now running a fleet of Volts as well as Miami Dade county running around with a few in their inventory. They are local gov yes but also receive funding from state and federal.

[rwh11385]

Miami Beach is is now running a fleet of Volts as well as Miami Dade county running around with a few in their inventory. They are local gov yes but also receive funding from state and federal.

You could at least thank me for providing you with all the information you asked for before changing subjects.

[joshh]

Miami Beach is is now running a fleet of Volts as well as Miami Dade county running around with a few in their inventory. They are local gov yes but also receive funding from state and federal.

I think it's clear he's trying to blatantly avoid your valid point.

[rwh11385]

I think it's clear he's trying to blatantly avoid your valid point.

A point that he keeps changing?

There's local government purchases of Volts, sure... but unless he actually cares to find any of those numbers, it's all just factless conjecture. (standard for him)

[Fusion]

http://www.government-fleet.com/Search/?q=chevrolet+volt

Meanwhile, European car makers are concentrating on the highly logical CNG versions. Stations are (have been) sprouting up everywhere. The additional price is so low, it pays off within one year or approx. 9000-20000kms and after that price per km is half or less compared to gas, range is the same as a petrol engine, same power output, better efficiency, Euro5 emissions, subusidies in most countries. A station at home will garuntee lower prices and will pay off after about a year and a half. The technology has a "failsafe" in that it can be converted back to full petrol whenever you want.
A brand new CNG Passat costs $18500 less than an Ampera. Opel offers CNG minivans that cost less than half the Ampera, but no sedans, probably so they won't kill their chances to sell the Ampera.

[rwh11385]

http://www.government-fleet.com/Sear...chevrolet+volt

Meanwhile, European car makers are concentrating on the highly logical CNG versions. Stations are (have been) sprouting up everywhere. The additional price is so low, it pays off within one year or approx. 9000-20000kms and after that price per km is half or less compared to gas, range is the same as a petrol engine, same power output, better efficiency, Euro5 emissions, subusidies in most countries. A station at home will garuntee lower prices and will pay off after about a year and a half. The technology has a "failsafe" in that it can be converted back to full petrol whenever you want.
A brand new CNG Passat costs $18500 less than an Ampera. Opel offers CNG minivans that cost less than half the Ampera, but no sedans, probably so they won't kill their chances to sell the Ampera.

CNG (stove gas) - dead end.

But besides pointing out your contradictions... CNG is what I was talking about with bi-fuel GM trucks (have both petrol and CNG tanks, with a large range). Plus, they allow for use of anaerobic digestor biogas (methane is methane). So you can drive on cow poop power, farmers have been doing it for decades. There's a growing number of operations with biogas production, so it's renewable and cheap (errr, digestor is not cheap but manure is free and a waste / liability).

[mrsleeve]

^

Until your govts start to tax it the same as Gas and Diesel.


Edit: Miss read a price chart for Europen N/G prices as CCF when it was quoted as MMCF.