Sales of the GM Volt.

[mrsleeve]

because it's a very short sighted point of view.

and why are you hating on free market capitalism?

well green energy is not really free market capitalism now is it ;)



but then you knew that already



Like it or not Petroleum is not going to be going anywhere for a long long ass time. Our grand kids MIGHT see the day when petroleum is not a primary fuel source/industrial products necessity

[rwh11385]

Like it or not Petroleum is not going to be going anywhere for a long long ass time. Our grand kids MIGHT see the day when petroleum is not a primary fuel source/industrial products necessity

"The Stone Age didn't end because of a shortage of stones: the oil age won't end because of a shortage of oil.”

[HarryPotter]

because it's a very short sighted point of view.

and why are you hating on free market capitalism?

What is so short sighted about keeping the price of pretty much all essential goods in America at a lower cost? Especially when tons of families are struggling to make ends meet?

Do you agree with Steven Chu that the only way to ram GE down our throats is to keep the price of oil at a very high level?

Can you please elaborate on both of your comments?

[rwh11385]

What is so short sighted about keeping the price of pretty much all essential goods in America at a lower cost? Especially when tons of families are struggling to make ends meet?

Do you agree with Steven Chu that the only way to ram GE down our throats is to keep the price of oil at a very high level?

Can you please elaborate on both of your comments?

"Keeping" price low = artificial price manipulation???


Good idea comrade.

[HarryPotter]

"Keeping" price low = artificial price manipulation???


Good idea comrade.

Seriously now? By increasing our oil production we would therefor start keeping our prices down, it keeps food prices down, it keeps everything down considering everything is moved by gasoline. High gas prices have a lot to do with many other goods being raised in price.

Funny considering all you libs always say how the president has absolutely no control over gas prices. Sure he does, once he stops being a bitch and starts letting the US become more independent on the oil side of things then we would be much better off.

So then basically Obama and his energy czar are commies too then since they'd like to "KEEP" raising the price of oil and see it as a good thing....

Another funny note is when GWB's administration saw increasingly high oil prices all the libs on the news hounded him so hard for making oil high, claiming the president has everything to do with the price, now that Obama's prices are high it's a great thing!!! It's progressing us into a new age of enlightenment and Obama has absolutely no control over prices.

[rwh11385]

Seriously now? By increasing our oil production we would therefor start keeping our prices down,

That's a strong assumption that has NOT been demonstrated with all of our new drilling.

it keeps food prices down, it keeps everything down considering everything is moved by gasoline. High gas prices have a lot to do with many other goods being raised in price.

I think you mean everything is moved by diesel...

Yes, transportation prices are a huge component of food price increases. But hoping and praying on "Drill Baby Drill" is completely ignorant of the global economics of oil and the fact we do not control the market price of it.

Should we attempt to change something we cannot control? Or find ways to take control of our economy, our prices, our future?

Trailer tails, underbellies, and gap fairings can increase fuel economy and that's cheap and simple. Long term, we can have better freight systems.

Funny considering all you libs always say how the president has absolutely no control over gas prices. Sure he does, once he stops being a bitch and starts letting the US become more independent on the oil side of things then we would be much better off.

So then basically Obama and his energy czar are commies too then since they'd like to "KEEP" raising the price of oil and see it as a good thing....

I'm conservative, just not ignorant and close-minded. If you want us remaining the slave to other people's control of a commodity, that's dumb. Look at our DoD's policies - they aren't hoping for a magic bullet to make oil cheap. [Even if we triple oil production, we'll refine it and sell it abroad to developing countries which want more and more of it] The Army's policies to be green is not being attacked by the right. (cuz it's logical and makes sense). Why would we want our military to be prepared to be cost-effective in the future and sustainable, but not our businesses and consumers??

Another funny note is when GWB's administration saw increasingly high oil prices all the libs on the news hounded him so hard for making oil high, claiming the president has everything to do with the price, now that Obama's prices are high it's a great thing!!! It's progressing us into a new age of enlightenment and Obama has absolutely no control over prices.

Have you considered that there are people on both sides that are moronic, including yourself, and have zero understanding of Economics??

How exactly did GWB magically low oil prices? You want to explain it?

[rwh11385]

Why not look for the educated views on the subject? Like one of the pillars of fiscal conservative thought:

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/its-not-obamas-fault-crude-oil-prices-have-increased

It's Not Obama's Fault That Crude Oil Prices Have Increased

So despite the popular perception of President Obama as anti-oil, domestic oil production is increasing for the first time since the Johnson administration. Alas, little of this has to do with the president. Prices increased from $22 in 2002 to just under $100 a barrel average in 2008 and supply has responded. President Obama is no more responsible for production increases than other presidents were responsible for production declines. Unfortunately, presidents get blamed for world market changes that occur during their time in office... but generally, they do not cause them.

Cato is wise, cheering for Obama's eliminating of oil subsidies while being against this windfall profit.

Is WSJ a good source for business and economic thought?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204781804577267690888223980.html?grcc=d3ac29ddb30893064f601ae86aa5b960Z9&mod=WSJ_hps_sections_personalfinance

Gingrich's Gaseous Argument

Reality: U.S. gasoline prices, like prices throughout the advanced economies, are determined by global market forces. It is hard to see how Mr. Obama's policies can be blamed

Mr. Gingrich ignores the basic fact about U.S. gas prices: They are largely fixed by the price of crude oil, which is determined by global supply and demand.

When Mr. Obama was inaugurated, demand was weak due to the recession. But now it's stronger, and thus the price is higher.

Another good article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/18/op...myth.html?_r=2
Obama Sets Gas Prices? Just Another G.O.P. Myth

The issue of gas prices has not only been misunderstood but thoroughly distorted by relentless ideological spin from industry and its political allies, mainly Republican.

Ten years ago, cars and light trucks (including S.U.V.’s) averaged 24.7 miles a gallon. In 2011, the figure rose to 29.6 miles a gallon as consumers chose more efficient cars. Two landmark agreements between the administration and the automakers — aimed at improving efficiency and reducing greenhouse gases — could raise it to 55 miles per gallon by 2025.

Despite this progress, ending dependence on foreign oil seems as remote as when President Richard Nixon proposed it. With developing countries like China and India demanding more petroleum, prices are likely to stay high. That’s reality — no matter what the Republican spinners say. Only a rounded policy mix of greater fuel efficiency, steady production and the aggressive development of alternative fuels can protect American consumers against what could be even greater price shocks in the years ahead.

But hey, it's America, I guess you have the freedom to be stupid. And ignore logic and economics to listen to lying, misinformed pundits.

[gwb72tii]

That's a strong assumption that has NOT been demonstrated with all of our new drilling.


I think you mean everything is moved by diesel...

Yes, transportation prices are a huge component of food price increases. But hoping and praying on "Drill Baby Drill" is completely ignorant of the global economics of oil and the fact we do not control the market price of it.

Should we attempt to change something we cannot control? Or find ways to take control of our economy, our prices, our future?

Trailer tails, underbellies, and gap fairings can increase fuel economy and that's cheap and simple. Long term, we can have better freight systems.


I'm conservative, just not ignorant and close-minded. If you want us remaining the slave to other people's control of a commodity, that's dumb. Look at our DoD's policies - they aren't hoping for a magic bullet to make oil cheap. [Even if we triple oil production, we'll refine it and sell it abroad to developing countries which want more and more of it] The Army's policies to be green is not being attacked by the right. (cuz it's logical and makes sense). Why would we want our military to be prepared to be cost-effective in the future and sustainable, but not our businesses and consumers??


Have you considered that there are people on both sides that are moronic, including yourself, and have zero understanding of Economics??

How exactly did GWB magically low oil prices? You want to explain it?

one day your going to smack your face into the tree of common sense, or someone will smack you over the head with it.
then you'll make sense instead of being the mouthpiece for the DNC

[rwh11385]

one day your going to smack your face into the tree of common sense, or someone will smack you over the head with it.
then you'll make sense instead of being the mouthpiece for the DNC

So are you trying to say that Cato is a fiscally liberal think-tank?

Or do you think it is more plausible that you and Harry Potter are economically mislead by pundits who would rather have you incorrectly putting blame on Obama?

Someday, you might actually have the competence to logically evaluate global economics and supply / demand, but until then, you're just a simpleton repeating idiots like Newt.

[gwb72tii]

the USA needs more "conservatives" like you
lulz

[Dozyproductions]

the USA needs more "conservatives" like you
lulz

Backed into the corner response.

[priapism]

When out of facts to argue with, resort to name-calling and "you'll get it someday" nonsense.

[rwh11385]

When out of facts to argue with, resort to name-calling and "you'll get it someday" nonsense.

Did he ever use facts to begin with?

GWB: Yes, the nation would be a much better place if more people based policy opinions on facts and logic, rather than biased (lying often) pundits that fill their heads with hatred and ignorance.

Incompenent conservatives hurt the party. I can't stand the racist, xenophobic, uneducated things that come out of some of the right wing people I know. That does not make me liberal. My conservative peers I can be proud in being pooled with read NCPA.org regularly and base arguments on facts and logic, not what some talking talk told them to think.

Is it your stand here that more conservatives ignoring facts, basing arguments on misconceptions, falsehoods, and lies make the party better???

Do you want the party led by people who attack Obama for helping end Lord Resistance Army?? (Rush defended Kony as a Christian who was fighting Muslims)

[priapism]

Incompenent conservatives hurt the party. I can't stand the racist, xenophobic, uneducated things that come out of some of the right wing people I know. That does not make me liberal. My conservative peers I can be proud in being pooled with read NCPA.org regularly and base arguments on facts and logic, not what some talking talk told them to think.

With ya on that one. People that just parrot out what they heard on the radio are worse than the uneducated because they think they know what they're talking about.

There's 200 million Chinese that have bought their first car in the past few years, I hope people don't think we should still have 85c / gallon gas given that increase in consumption.

[gwb72tii]

Backed into the corner response.

not at all, just busy working
i'll get back to you "conservatives" later

BTW - just exactly what name did i call rwh11385??
he describes himself as a conservative which is laughable