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  • mrsleeve
    I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
    • Mar 2005
    • 16385

    #1

    AAHHHGGGGGGG this ought piss you off

    I am about to have a fucking aneurysm, and I can feel my blood pressure going off the charts when I read shit like this

    ETHANOL need I say more (infuriating parts in bold)

    Originally posted by article
    By BILL TOMSON

    The Department of Agriculture will soon be helping gasoline stations install new pumps that can dispense fuel with higher ethanol content, USDA Secretary Tom Vilsack said.

    The USDA will soon offer grants and loan guarantees for the installation of costly new "blender pumps" so drivers can purchase fuel with a higher ratio of corn-based ethanol.


    Most gasoline sold in the U.S. is 10% ethanol, but a growing fleet of flexible-fuel vehicles can run on an 85%-ethanol blend, or E85. However, there are fewer pumps available to dispense it, Mr. Vilsack said.

    In the U.S., only about 2,350 fueling stations out of more than 110,000 offer E85 pumps, according to the USDA.

    Gloria Bergquist, vice president of the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, said the number of E85 vehicles in the U.S. is growing about 10% each year. In 2008, there were 6.1 million such vehicles; now, the number has increased to about 8.2 million.

    New blender pumps, which Mr. Vilsack said cost about $120,000 to install, also would make it easier for drivers of conventional cars to increase the ethanol content of the gasoline they buy. He declined to estimate the total expenses, saying he didn't know how many station owners would seek the guarantees and grants.

    Newer vehicles can safely run on gasoline with a 15% blend of ethanol, according to the Environmental Protection Agency.

    The USDA goal, Mr. Vilsack said, is to increase the number of flexible-fuel pumps across the nation by 10,000 over the next five years, in accordance with President Barack Obama's pledge to cut U.S. dependency on foreign oil by one-third by 2025.

    Industry opponents include livestock producers, who say subsidies push corn prices higher, and some taxpayer groups who say the government can't afford such subsidies.

    This year, the ethanol industry is expected to consume five billion bushels of corn, almost as much as the 5.2 billion bushels that will be used for livestock feed, according to USDA data.

    U.S. farmers produced 12.4 billion bushels of corn last year. The USDA already has the funds it needs to help finance the new pumps, a spokeswoman said. Congress created the Rural Energy for America Program in the 2008 farm bill to help fund renewable-fuel projects, and it can be broadened to include financing for the blender pumps.

    The farm bill program contains $60 million that can be spent in fiscal year 2010, $70 million in fiscal 2011 and $70 million in fiscal 2012, the spokeswoman said.

    Mr. Vilsack announced the plan at a time when concerns about strong demand for corn, the primary ingredient in ethanol made in the U.S., have pushed prices of the grain to record highs. Corn futures have more than doubled since last summer on strong foreign and domestic demand, including record U.S. ethanol output. The USDA, in a crop report issued Friday, said producers of the biofuel would be consuming even more corn than expected this year. Corn futures on Friday closed up 1.2% at $7.68 a bushel, near the all-time high of about $7.73 a bushel set Thursday.

    Congress also provides hefty support for the ethanol industry with a 45-cent-a-gallon subsidy that is paid to gasoline blenders that include ethanol in fuel.

    The Renewable Fuels Association, an ethanol lobbying group, said it strongly endorsed USDA's new plan.

    "Ethanol producers stand ready to work with Congress, auto manufacturers, gas station owners, and consumers to build a stronger, cleaner, more self-reliant energy future," Bob Dinneen, the group's president and chief executive, said Friday.
    —Tom Polansek in Chicago contributed to this article.




    Discuss while I have a cocktail and cool off a bit
    Last edited by mrsleeve; 04-10-2011, 12:13 AM.
    Originally posted by Fusion
    If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
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  • Holland
    R3V OG
    • Nov 2008
    • 7176

    #2
    So now everyone has to own a newer vehicle? Price of most everything I think will suffer from this.
    1985 M10b18. 70maybewhpoffury. Over engineered S50b30 murica BBQ swap in progress.

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    You'd chugg this butt. I know you would. Ain't gotta' lie to kick it brostantinople.

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    • jasonsnoddy
      E30 Mastermind
      • Feb 2010
      • 1900

      #3
      my e30 doesn't run on corn :(


      Originally posted by stewie30luvr
      ooo cause i was fixing my chain tensioner and there was a black widow on the radiator so i killed it
      Originally posted by JakeP
      with a coathanger

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      • mrsleeve
        I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
        • Mar 2005
        • 16385

        #4
        Ahhhh so you think the e15 that the EPA wants might kill all the older cars that were not meant to run on it. there by forcing us to buy new cars ????


        How tinfoil hatty of you ;)
        Originally posted by Fusion
        If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
        The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


        The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

        Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
        William Pitt-

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        • Danny
          Moderator
          • Feb 2008
          • 14216

          #5
          Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this just mean there'll be more e85 fuel pumps?

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          • mrsleeve
            I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
            • Mar 2005
            • 16385

            #6
            Yes danny BUT YOU ME AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT PAYS TAXES WILL BE PAYING THE STATIONS TO INSTALL THEM.

            ON TOP OF THE 46 CENT A GALLON SUBSIDIES WE PAY NOW. ALL WHILE OUR GOVT IS BROKE AS SHIT AND GOING TO SPEND 165 BILLION more than it takes in this year and is 14 trillion in total DEBT. WE CANT AFFORD THIS for 1 thing. Also if there was sufficient demand for the shit I think the gas stations would be installing them on their own dime, to meet customer demands. (on that note stations that sell and advertise ethanol free fuel are doing very well)

            Not to mention that the EAP says newer cars can use e15 safely, what about older ones???

            Ummm also Ethanol is going to use as much cor production as Feeding our food supply. and taking up real estate to grow that extra corn for fuel that would other wise be in other necessary crops like Hay (for live stock), cereal grains, and what not. This will push the price up for your staple food items even more than are now.
            Originally posted by Fusion
            If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
            The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


            The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

            Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
            William Pitt-

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            • Danny
              Moderator
              • Feb 2008
              • 14216

              #7
              Oh wow. Yeah now I am mad. Thanks for explaining.

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              • e30trooper
                R3V OG
                • Mar 2009
                • 11576

                #8
                cant wait, i work at a gas station. guess ima need some boost.

                edit, sorry i did read it but i dont see whats to bitch about. You guys are lucky to live in the midwest/east coast. Fuel is cheap over there.

                I work at a chevron. We went up 6 cents on gas last night and 10cent on diesel tonight. Diesel is at 4.59 a gall. wtf is new taxes gunna do and effect us. We're already being raped on that shit. Its like what i tell ppl. Oh wow your gunna pay 5-10 cents more per gal , how many galls are you gunna buy ? 10-15 at max , that a whole 3 bux more. Big deal. Shit could be worse.
                Last edited by e30trooper; 04-10-2011, 12:40 AM.

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                • bloodshot-e30
                  E30 Fanatic
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 1494

                  #9
                  yeah pretty ghey but what about swapped cars? and what about getting injectors for ethonal? or just buy a shit load of injectors that u need while u can so when this does happen and it eats them up ur good to go ;)
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                  • mrsleeve
                    I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 16385

                    #10
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^

                    Ethanol wont really eat the injectors its all the rest of the shit in the fuel system that gets eaten and destroyed by the ethanol


                    trooper: you have shitty gas prices thanks to all the different blends your state and county require. Not to mentioned the higher taxes paid at the pump. I guess you really missed the point of the article didnt you
                    Originally posted by Fusion
                    If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                    The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                    The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                    Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
                    William Pitt-

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                    • EndreM
                      E30 Addict
                      • Jul 2009
                      • 513

                      #11
                      E85 is cheaper than gas -> More people will use E85 -> Less demand for gas -> lower gas prices?

                      I know it's not that easy. Convert your E30's to run on E85.

                      I pay $180 for a full tank of gas on my E30, and they are talking about making it twice the price to force people to use public transport.
                      '91 E30 316i
                      '97 Rover Mini 1275

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                      • e30trooper
                        R3V OG
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 11576

                        #12
                        Originally posted by mrsleeve
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^

                        Ethanol wont really eat the injectors its all the rest of the shit in the fuel system that gets eaten and destroyed by the ethanol


                        trooper: you have shitty gas prices thanks to all the different blends your state and county require. Not to mentioned the higher taxes paid at the pump. I guess you really missed the point of the article didnt you
                        no i got the point and ive been drinking, :D

                        Originally posted by EndreM
                        E85 is cheaper than gas -> More people will use E85 -> Less demand for gas -> lower gas prices?

                        I know it's not that easy. Convert your E30's to run on E85.

                        I pay $180 for a full tank of gas on my E30, and they are talking about making it twice the price to force people to use public transport.
                        180USD or 180.00 of what ever currency you use?

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                        • mrsleeve
                          I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 16385

                          #13
                          Endre

                          Cheaper because the federal GOVT is paying the stations 46 cents for every gallon they sell.

                          ITS NOT CHEAPER
                          Originally posted by Fusion
                          If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                          The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                          The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                          Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
                          William Pitt-

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                          • EndreM
                            E30 Addict
                            • Jul 2009
                            • 513

                            #14
                            Originally posted by e30trooper
                            no i got the point and ive been drinking, :d



                            180usd or 180.00 of what ever currency you use?
                            180usd.
                            '91 E30 316i
                            '97 Rover Mini 1275

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                            • Good & Tight
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                              • Apr 2004
                              • 2057

                              #15
                              Been running E85 in my 85 turbo E30 with stock fuel lines for 3 years, no issues at all.

                              My daily is a 84 318i that runs on 87, last week I added one gallon of E85 with a full tank to see what would happen. I have no actual data to compare but E85 has a 100+ octane rating, so mixing it with 87 should raise the octane by a few points.
                              Car runs better for sure.

                              I know this is a debate about $$$$, but E85 is not such a bad thing for your car.
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